NSA says it has no record of Snowden challenging spying

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50. "Not one person." - How in the name of reason do you actually know that definitively?

I argue not that it could some day become a danger but that its very collection makes it a real and present danger at this VERY moment. There is no vague middle ground here.

The very nature of metadata collection makes it a corrupt process. Do you understand? The idea of privacy rights isn't just to protect us against a disjointed threat that may be associated with the violation of privacy. It is also to recognize that simply violating our privacy is itself a corrupt act. That invasion is injurious by its very nature.

Now, you may find more recent revelation about other potential spying programs untrue. But that is a lot different from saying the entire discussion surrounding this is illegitimate.

What is not up or debate at this point is the seriousness of the situation. That isn't up for debate. So when you say we should face "real" issues, you're just belittling your own argument. It's not constructive because it's not relevant anymore. The time for questioning the imminence of this topic has long since passed.

So, please, either do us the service of taking the discussion seriously or don't say anything at all. No one here is forcing you to say anything. If you don't want to participate, don't participate. But don't veil your agenda under this idea that you're trying to liberate us from the unreality or silliness of the debate. That's just disingenuous.