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mike_c

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19. the jury system is only part of the problem, and I really think a small part....
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 07:07 PM
Jun 2014

In an ideal world, the DU jury system would do precisely what it's meant to do-- help create and maintain community standards for participation.

The real problem begins with the alert. I now believe that some DUers utterly abuse DU alerts to harass others with whom they disagree, or whom they simply do not like. Once alerted on, a post automatically goes to a jury, and that's where it becomes apparent that DU has become so diverse in ways that no one expected-- we might all be (mostly) liberal, but that's probably the only unifying characteristic on DU these days, and it's suspect too-- that there are often no broad community standards that define us generally. Sure, we can all agree that "Jane, you ignorant slut!" is a personal attack, but there are factions now who will vote to hide even the comedic version of that statement (SNL, anyone?) as sexist regardless of the irony that of course Chevy Chase meant it to be (and I only cite that because it applies to that particular example). Others become outraged by sports scores. And so on. In fact, I saw this phenomenon described recently as "outrage driven media."

Given that volatile mix of outrage driven perspectives making up juries, alerts become reasonably dependable weapons for harassment because it's too often true that enough jury members will be outraged by SOMETHING the DUer said.

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DU Jury Nullification [View all] Michigander_Life Jun 2014 OP
I think that is a good suggestion and should be reposted in ATA. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #1
That is a good idea! djean111 Jun 2014 #2
That is a good idea. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #3
Wait. Weren't you the nipple alerter?... SidDithers Jun 2014 #4
yep Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #5
See below Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #8
You and I both know that post was hidden for a good reason Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #6
you sound a bit stalkerish with regards to that poster...nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #14
Those hides were all discussed in my Nipple Alerter thread Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #18
I know the word you're looking for…. MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #25
+1 HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #7
See above Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #10
... Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #9
See #6 Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #11
Or perhaps treat alerts like hides. Mugu Jun 2014 #12
or identify each alerter... grasswire Jun 2014 #13
That's not a half bad idea with one possible caveat Brother Buzz Jun 2014 #22
that's fair grasswire Jun 2014 #31
The jury blacklist is your friend. If there is someone that you butt heads with, blacklist them NightWatcher Jun 2014 #15
While I agree, it's not a "backlash" ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #16
Core of the problem RobertEarl Jun 2014 #17
the jury system is only part of the problem, and I really think a small part.... mike_c Jun 2014 #19
Skinner has stated several times that "alert stalking" does not exist. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #20
I would like to see those data.... mike_c Jun 2014 #21
You've been on 486 juries? RobertEarl Jun 2014 #23
you'd still penalize a failed alert as if it was actually frivolous bigtree Jun 2014 #24
A 0-7 alert is far more likely to be frivolous Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #28
This coming from the nipple alerter? LOL, classic! n-t Logical Jun 2014 #26
Thank you. Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #29
Or, if we're going to have juries, KamaAina Jun 2014 #27
Order in the court! lovemydog Jun 2014 #33
I think you have the start of a good idea or at least pointed out a problem......... wandy Jun 2014 #30
I agree: DU needs to make it NOT so easy to click the ALERT button. C Moon Jun 2014 #32
I think you have nailed a problem and it does call for a solution.n/t Cleita Jun 2014 #34
+1 on a restrictor-plate for limiting alert abuse paulkienitz Jun 2014 #35
I don't doubt that some stalking may happen... NaturalHigh Jun 2014 #36
I suggest you post this on ATA. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #37
The jury system is flawed at best. ananda Jun 2014 #38
jury members should also get mileage and a stipend tomm2thumbs Jun 2014 #39
Locking. Agschmid Jun 2014 #40
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