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49. John Michael Dunn...the guy made general and left an oral history of his time in Saigon...

Fri Jun 27, 2014, 07:24 PM

Jun 2014

Seems he went there first with Henry Cabot Lodge. In PDF form, fascinating reading:

http://web2.millercenter.org/lbj/oralhistory/dunn_john_1984_0725.pdf

PS: I forgot to mention one of those synchronicities of history: E Howard Hunt had a gig working under Gov. Harriman, postwar in the Marshall Plan Economic Cooperation Authority (ECA).

http://books.google.com/books?id=B-QCAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=howard+hunt+averell+harriman&source=bl&ots=Pvr9r7cp8g&sig=xr7KmAyz_WQN8lJ4AWTk6hD_VyQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2_utU-fYDIyHyASukYFg&ved=0CFsQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=howard%20hunt%20averell%20harriman&f=false

Interesting times, wot.

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LBJ was bullied into VietNam war same way they are bullying Obama now... [View all] randys1 Jun 2014 OP

Eh, there's always someone. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #1

Yes. But... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #2

I dont know about that but I will say this, it drives me nuts randys1 Jun 2014 #3

no way. Watch the movie "The Fog of War". No one "bullied" Johnson. he lied about the gulf of lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #4

You are saying exactly what Thom was saying, that LBJ was hearing this randys1 Jun 2014 #6

Read the Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg, and I think you may change your mind lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #14

I have always wanted to take the time to read those...LBJ aside, I wish randys1 Jun 2014 #26

I think he is essentially telling them that lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #27

I don' believe anybody bullied... Bigmack Jun 2014 #5

Right, that HE would look weak randys1 Jun 2014 #8

I understand, but LBJ was not a person who allowed himself to be pressured. He passed the civil lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #13

I touched his leg,. Bobby, as he was standing on the back of a convertible randys1 Jun 2014 #30

Wow. I really think things would have been different if Bobby had a chance. Actually the country lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #34

So much trauma. LBJ was sworn into office with Jackie Kennedy in her bloody dress by his side: freshwest Jun 2014 #36

Sadly that is a good chronology lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #37

And we see a steady chorus about PBO being weak because he refuses to take on Bush's job. freshwest Jun 2014 #28

Well said randys1 Jun 2014 #31

I was lucky, I got called up for my physical but was able to get out because of high blood pressure lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #9

Yes, I remember Dan Rather with the body counts and a lot of coverage on Vietnam. freshwest Jun 2014 #32

I agree with your assessment. It still is being done in our name though lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #33

"Bullied"? I think it's called "assassinating his immediate predecessor." LBJ got the message. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #7

+1... freebrew Jun 2014 #11

Seems counter to his character Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #10

I think pressured is a better way to characterize it, not bullied randys1 Jun 2014 #12

This seems like a little bit of a history rewrite. Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #15

YOu can listen to the tapes, nothing rewriting about that, he was making a randys1 Jun 2014 #16

Ok, I'll bite Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #17

I heard what Thom played, Thom preceeded it with him randys1 Jun 2014 #18

Fair enough Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #19

Johnson was very very very concerned about his legacy. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #23

No one bullied Johnson. roamer65 Jun 2014 #20

Partly true, but far H2O Man Jun 2014 #21

PS: H2O Man Jun 2014 #22

John M. Newman, in ''JFK and Vietnam,'' sourced all that. Octafish Jun 2014 #39

Thank you. H2O Man Jun 2014 #41

If there's a hell, McNamara is there, and Kissinger is headed there the second he dies. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #24

Westmoreland too. lpbk2713 Jun 2014 #29

Obama is not being bullied. bigwillq Jun 2014 #25

72 hours after JFK's Death LBJ's Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #35

Sort of like JFK's admin was an interruption in service to the Dogs of War Inc. Octafish Jun 2014 #40

President Kennedy H2O Man Jun 2014 #42

You see this guy in the New York Times? Octafish Jun 2014 #43

I had not H2O Man Jun 2014 #44

The bricks at the back of the theater are showing. Octafish Jun 2014 #45

A strange man, H2O Man Jun 2014 #47

Wisdom. Octafish Jun 2014 #48

John Michael Dunn...the guy made general and left an oral history of his time in Saigon... Octafish Jun 2014 #49

Obama is smarter than Johnson Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #38

"Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" He wanted the anti-commie PR. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #46

maybe we should elect a president who won't be bullied. after all, he didn't let Doctor_J Jun 2014 #50

Good one...very good one...I am a fan of Obama but because I am a realist randys1 Jun 2014 #51

But you're saying Obama can be bullied into the corporate-friendly war, but not out of the Doctor_J Jun 2014 #52

The rightwing obstruction based solely on him being Black is unprecedented randys1 Jun 2014 #53

Then he should let someone else do the job Doctor_J Jun 2014 #54