Give Obama Credit: Drones Are Better Than Boots

[freshwest]

42. That is a thought provoking piece there. I am thinking about your excerpt:

'...forfeit their right to be protected by sovereignty, as they cannot first violate sovereignty and then ask to be protected by it...'

I agreed, then guessed the next argument to be made is that, in assisting allies to maintain their society, civil or not, is the worth of supporting them. They are often not respected or trusted by Americans online. In fact, we could argue endlessly 'whose' ally they really are.

I feel some objections are that we are trespassing on the sovereignty of the nation who requested or allowed the USA to fly drones over their territory. Because by our own standards, those governments are not legitimate, while some would gloss over the merit or legitimacy of ISIS - ISIL. as they appear to be acting as the avengers of Saddam Hussein, who many say should have been left in place, massacres and all, to spare us going into Iraq in the first place.

There is a sloppiness in the assertion that neither us nor the drones are not welcome in other countries.

At times DUers applaud the use of drones, even lethal ones, if it is used for causes they support. Such as Sea Shepherd using them to find Japanese whalers, drones to kill elephant poachers, or this morning OP of using them to watch farms for animal abuse.

One of the most prolific live streaming reporters named Tim in NYC following Occupy made a video of a drone he made to fly about and record events. Surviellance by one side okay but not by the other.

I think for some, it's more the feeling of nothing between one and the sun, moon and stars; living in a state of nature of a sort countless humans have throughout our history, and prehistorically, is being taken away from us. That we are unwillingly becoming part of a technocratic global grid that cannot be trusted and dp not respect us.

But many people in the world are eager to build this grid. Those who are not, are called terrorists by some for not modernizing in culture amd accepting change to go along. And I think that is what is driving some of the extremists, their fight against science and universality in culture, and we are conflicted.

Not all change is positive, nor is all tradition. Just ruminating here as I woke up in too much pain to sleep. This thread is a good opening to thinking about why drones exist.