Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
29. That's quite clear in paragraphs such as these
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:59 AM
Jun 2014

34. The synod will have to reflect on how to promote in today’s world a ministry which encourages the participation of the family in society. Families are not only the subject of protection by the State, but must regain their role as active agents in society. In this regard, the following challenges emerge: the relationship between the family and the workplace; the relationship between the family and education; the relationship between the family and health; the family’s ability to bring generations together so as not to neglect the young and the elderly; the situation of the rights of the family institution and its specific relationships; and the promotion of just laws, such as those that ensure the defense of human life from its conception and those which promote the social goodness of an authentic marriage between a man and a woman.

There are so many outrageous statements in this documents I barely know where to begin.

23. Generally speaking, the notion of “human rights” is also seen as highly subjective and a call for a person to self-determination, a process which is no longer grounded in the idea of the natural law. In this regard, many respondents relate that the legal systems in many countries are having to make laws on situations which are contrary to the traditional dictates of the natural law (for example, in vitro fertilization, homosexual unions, the manipulation of human embryos, abortion, etc.). Situated in this context is the increased diffusion of the ideology called gender theory, according to which the gender of each individual turns out to be simply the product of social conditioning and needs and, thereby, ceasing, in this way, to have any correspondence to a person’s biological sexuality.

24. Furthermore, much attention is given in the responses to the fact that what becomes established in civil law — based on an increasingly dominant legal positivism — might mistakenly become in people’s mind accepted as morally right. What is “natural” tends to be determined by the individual and society only, who have become the sole judges in ethical choices. The relativization of the concept of “nature” is also reflected in the concept of stability and the “duration” of the relationship of marriage unions. Today, love is considered “forever” only to the point that a relationship lasts.

25. If some responses refer to a lack of proper understanding of the natural law, several episcopal conferences in Africa, Oceania and East Asia, mention that, in some regions, polygamy is to be considered “natural,” as well as a husband’s divorcing his wife because she is unable to bear children — and, in some cases, unable to bear sons. In other words, from an emerging point of view, drawn from a widely diffused culture, the natural law is no longer to be considered as applicable to everyone, since people mistakenly come to the conclusion that a unique system of reference does not exist.

I'm just going to stop here. This document is so full of offensive language I barely know where to begin. If anything, it only reiterates that their war on gay marriage and reproductive choice will continue.

Perhaps if some of these news sources would actually read these documents rather than just regurgitate whatever press release they're fed by the Vatican, they'd report that nothing, at all, has changed.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

"Near openness" Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #1
Everything evolves. Look how our govt went. Steps in the right direction are still steps. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #2
Our government is not subject to Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #5
So better they stay with their old view? Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #8
Nothing has changed. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #11
Nothing has changed. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #12
Nonsense. PR is far more important than policy Shivering Jemmy Jun 2014 #51
That phrase 'near openness' is your own and not from the source article Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #24
It's a step above: We won't stone them or burn them at the stake marshall Jun 2014 #4
It is no step at all. Nothing has changed. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #6
Nothing has changed? Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #17
You see this as being all about the bullies, not about their victims at all. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #20
Those old bigots in the Vatican have not been allowed to execute anyone since July of 1890 Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #18
Okay, it's one step in a 26-mile marathon; the Catholic Church gotta LONG way to go. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #46
As long as gay people are 'discreet'; and as long as they don't have any children muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #9
Exactly. They still support fights against equality and autonomy. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #10
That's quite clear in paragraphs such as these theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #29
How much arrogance and lack of awarness does it take for Catholic Clergy to preach about children? Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #14
I can nearly fly if I flap my arms NightWatcher Jun 2014 #42
LOL!! theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #48
"It distinguished between gays who are "discreet" in their lifestyle and those who actively, PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #3
Right On! Kath1 Jun 2014 #7
He signals no such thing and what they do say is offensive. This is not really right, to post Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #13
This is how change starts. onehandle Jun 2014 #15
I don't want religion to 'die', I want their involvement in secular matters to die. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #16
Stop harrassing us. Stop trash talking, stop encouraging violence against us. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #21
Whooopdee-freeakin'-doo... SidDithers Jun 2014 #19
It's amazing to me how many OP titles claim the Pope said something good when he said nothing at all Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #22
Lol! Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #23
That post you replied to is a really barrel o' laughs, huh? PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #25
What's he going to do, fess up to his own actions? Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #27
It's a work of fakery. Everything I said is absolutely true, but you can not say the same. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #26
You are always posting the same thing over and over. Why shouldn't I laugh? Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #28
Because bigotry is not funny. And because adults should be able to defend their own words Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #30
And you are always defending the bigoted dogmas of the church theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #31
According to you. It's the old either for your with us or against us deal. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #33
There have been no advances theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #36
According to you. I differ. The conversation is actually starting in fits and starts. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #37
Lip service and PR is not progress. theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #44
Here is an actual headline from a nicely balanced Opinion piece. You should read it. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #38
Here's another piece you should read. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #40
No he's not. Everything Francis has said is just restating what the Catechism has said for years: NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #50
Yes but a celestial bat signal has been transmitted. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #45
Any thread about the Pope becomes a bat signal. rug Jun 2014 #52
What the article actually says: Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #32
Baby steps. Tetris_Iguana Jun 2014 #34
It would be nice if it was sooner. But not likely. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #35
The Church is as free to be as much of bigoted institution as their leaders desire... theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #39
Selfish little baby steps by grown up adults while this goes on: Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #43
sounds like a kindler, gentler bigotry fishwax Jun 2014 #41
Unrec. Wrong forum. Contains nothing new to talk about. closeupready Jun 2014 #47
No. All this does is affirm the Church's LONG-STANDING policy, NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #49
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Pope Signals Near Opennes...»Reply #29