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NickB79

(20,382 posts)
6. Yes, we can fucking blame them
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:22 PM
Jun 2014

The guns the gun nuts own today are pretty much the same as the ones they owned 20 years ago, with the same size magazines firing the same ammo then as they do now. The only difference is, they own a lot more of them today than they did then.

Does this matter, or justify the SWAT going full-on Seal Team Six on civilians? FUCK NO.

Why? Because even with the large jump in the number of military-style rifles sold in the past decade, the crime rate has fallen by almost HALF: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/07/181998015/rate-of-u-s-gun-violence-has-fallen-since-1993-study-says

"Firearm-related homicides dropped from 18,253 homicides in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011," according to a report by the federal , "and nonfatal firearm crimes dropped from 1.5 million victimizations in 1993 to 467,300 in 2011.

There were seven gun homicides per 100,000 people in 1993, the says, which dropped to 3.6 gun deaths in 2010. The study relied in part on data from the .

"Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49 percent lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation's population grew," according to the Pew study. "The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75 percent lower in 2011 than in 1993."

All of that is good news — but many Americans don't seem to be aware of it. In a survey, the Pew Research Center found that only 12 percent of Americans believe the gun crime rate is lower today than it was in 1993; 56 percent believe it's higher.


And, just as it's been for decades, rifles of ALL sorts account for somewhere around 300 murders/year, vs the 6000+ that are done by handguns, and the couple thousand done with shotguns.

Do we need SWAT teams today? Yes; there will always be events where specialized units are required. Do we have to arm every officer with the same battle gear the US Marines fielded in Fallujah, when they spend 90% of their time issuing speeding tickets? No.

The police have NO justification for increasing their firepower in the way they have. The more "toys" they have at their disposal, the more willing they'll be to use them. On us. As they say, when you have a hammer in your hand, everything starts to look like a nail.

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Can't really blame them Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #1
Listen to the 4:56 mark in the video damnedifIknow Jun 2014 #2
I'm sure promising crime trends are of comfort to police officer's families Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #3
Except that's no what fuel the militarization mania and it's not who the police are targeting. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #12
Get back to me when you've repealed the 2nd Amendment. In the meantime... Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #4
Absolutely Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #7
"Whatever happened to 'We have the place surrounded. Come out with your hands up!'?" NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #10
Yeah, and that's way fucked up. We value a drug conviction... Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #14
Totally agree. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #15
What a crock of authoritarian crap. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #5
Yes, we can fucking blame them NickB79 Jun 2014 #6
End the drug war and the violence in our community and the risk to cops will plummet TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #9
Defund the fuckers, take away all their toys, hammer them on juries, and end the failed drug war. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #8
Ok there DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #17
Full metal jacket rounds are very common. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #18
End the drug war and there will be little motivation to gun for them and they will place themselves TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #20
Everybody knows our American streets are teaming with TERRORISTS!! lunatica Jun 2014 #11
End the Occupation! Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #13
this guy makes a lot of sense TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #16
Knock knock damnedifIknow Jun 2014 #19
K&R woo me with science Jul 2014 #21
kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #22
kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #23
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