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Gothmog

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60. Nader was key in giving Bush the 2000 victory
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:26 PM
Jun 2014

The SCOTUS could not even rule in this case if Nader had not screwed Gore. Here are some facts on this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html

Nader-voters who spurned Democrat Al Gore to vote for Nader ended up swinging both Florida and New Hampshire to Bush in 2000. Charlie Cook, the editor of the Cook Political Report and political analyst for National Journal, called "Florida and New Hampshire" simply "the two states that Mr. Nader handed to the Bush-Cheney ticket," when Cook was writing about "The Next Nader Effect," in The New York Times on 9 March 2004. Cook said, "Mr. Nader, running as the Green Party nominee, cost Al Gore two states, Florida and New Hampshire, either of which would have given the vice president [Gore] a victory in 2000. In Florida, which George W. Bush carried by 537 votes, Mr. Nader received nearly 100,000 votes [nearly 200 times the size of Bush's Florida 'win']. In New Hampshire, which Mr. Bush won by 7,211 votes, Mr. Nader pulled in more than 22,000 [three times the size of Bush's 'win' in that state]." If either of those two states had gone instead to Gore, then Bush would have lost the 2000 election; we would never have had a U.S. President George W. Bush, and so Nader managed to turn not just one but two key toss-up states for candidate Bush, and to become the indispensable person making G.W. Bush the President of the United States -- even more indispensable, and more important to Bush's "electoral success," than were such huge Bush financial contributors as Enron Corporation's chief Ken Lay.

All polling studies that were done, for both the 2000 and the 2004 U.S. Presidential elections, indicated that Nader drained at least 2 to 5 times as many voters from the Democratic candidate as he did from the Republican Bush. (This isn't even considering throw-away Nader voters who would have stayed home and not voted if Nader had not been in the race; they didn't count in these calculations at all.) Nader's 97,488 Florida votes contained vastly more than enough to have overcome the official Jeb Bush / Katherine Harris / count, of a 537-vote Florida "victory" for G.W. Bush. In their 24 April 2006 detailed statistical analysis of the 2000 Florida vote, "Did Ralph Nader Spoil a Gore Presidency?" (available on the internet), Michael C. Herron of Dartmouth and Jeffrey B. Lewis of UCLA stated flatly, "We find that ... Nader was a spoiler for Gore." David Paul Kuhn, CBSNews.com Chief Political Writer, headlined on 27 July 2004, "Nader to Crash Dems Party?" and he wrote: "In 2000, Voter News Service exit polling showed that 47 percent of Nader's Florida supporters would have voted for Gore, and 21 percent for Mr. Bush, easily covering the margin of Gore's loss." Nationwide, Harvard's Barry C. Burden, in his 2001 paper at the American Political Science Association, "Did Ralph Nader Elect George W. Bush?" (also on the internet) presented "Table 3: Self-Reported Effects of Removing Minor Party Candidates," showing that in the VNS exit polls, 47.7% of Nader's voters said they would have voted instead for Gore, 21.9% said they would have voted instead for Bush, and 30.5% said they wouldn't have voted in the Presidential race, if Nader were had not been on the ballot. (This same table also showed that the far tinier nationwide vote for Patrick Buchanan would have split almost evenly between Bush and Gore if Buchanan hadn't been in the race: Buchanan was not a decisive factor in the outcome.) The Florida sub-sample of Nader voters was actually too small to draw such precise figures, but Herron and Lewis concluded that approximately 60% of Florida's Nader voters would have been Gore voters if the 2000 race hadn't included Nader. Clearly, Ralph Nader drew far more votes from Gore than he did from Bush, and on this account alone was an enormous Republican asset in 2000.

The SCOTUS would never had a chance if Nader had not been stupid

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Are there any 2000 Nader voters here [View all] skepticscott Jun 2014 OP
K&R this! nt COLGATE4 Jun 2014 #1
Nader gave Bush the election Gothmog Jun 2014 #2
No, the Supreme Court did. knitter4democracy Jun 2014 #4
But Nader siphoning off votes . . . brush Jun 2014 #9
I voted for Gore but this is stupid. How the Supreme Court gets a pass TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #17
^^ This. n/t winter is coming Jun 2014 #21
+1 freedom fighter jh Jun 2014 #54
"...who demand solidarity but offer none" villager Jun 2014 #58
Nader enabled the SCOTUS to steal the election Gothmog Jun 2014 #19
And in 2004, it was the computers in Ohio. knitter4democracy Jun 2014 #62
Nader was key in giving Bush the 2000 victory Gothmog Jun 2014 #60
They would have found some reason. knitter4democracy Jun 2014 #63
Only if the election was close Gothmog Jun 2014 #65
There's a lot of evidence that says that's wrong. knitter4democracy Jun 2014 #66
He is partially responsible ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2014 #43
Nader voters are a boogeyman quinnox Jun 2014 #3
they prolly wouldn't admit it today. BootinUp Jun 2014 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2014 #6
I voted for Nader in 2008? NobodyHere Jun 2014 #7
someone who dismisses the issue of abortion rights is not a liberal , but i can see why JI7 Jun 2014 #10
You mean, you are the one who gave us Romney as president? quinnox Jun 2014 #12
You are as much my political enemy as any teabagger. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #18
Ralph NAder "Even if Roe v. Wade is reversed, that doesn't end it," JI7 Jun 2014 #8
shortly before Paul Wellstone died Ralph Nader was asked if he would support Wellstone JI7 Jun 2014 #11
Imagine if Gore had run a good campaign zappaman Jun 2014 #13
Yep, Gore blew it. The LIEberman pick also was boneheaded. quinnox Jun 2014 #14
The WORST pick zappaman Jun 2014 #42
+1000 quinnox Jun 2014 #44
That's always conveniently left out of the discussion rpannier Jun 2014 #56
With the way Obama treated Occupy, I'd be shocked if any young people turn out anymore davidn3600 Jun 2014 #15
Well, Obama won't be running, unless he wants to be a Senator again some day. winter is coming Jun 2014 #27
That was Nader's fault. JEB Jun 2014 #46
Obama didn't do shit to Occupy, and geek tragedy Jun 2014 #57
probably not. But there are a lot who (say) they'd gladly do what Nader voters did wyldwolf Jun 2014 #16
I would vote for a fucking ham sandwich if the bread and swine won the nomination. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #20
+1 and +1 BootinUp Jun 2014 #34
and they will come back under different names after the election JI7 Jun 2014 #23
DING! DING! DING! Thread Winner! They expended tons of shoe leather for that disappointment. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #32
Or folks like me Aerows Jun 2014 #25
I don't know about anyone else in this thread Aerows Jun 2014 #22
+1 to "thinking" you voted for someone. winter is coming Jun 2014 #33
who wants to know? G_j Jun 2014 #24
My dad voted for Nader in 2000. (In Florida) Throd Jun 2014 #26
I *think* I voted for Gore in Florida in 2000 Aerows Jun 2014 #29
Thank You! However, I'd be ashamed to admit it if I were. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #28
I didn't and wouldn't, but I'm more concerned with GOTV in November. Nader's not running. genwah Jun 2014 #30
I haven't seen anyone say that "there is no differnce between" the parties. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #31
I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #35
yes…. dhill926 Jun 2014 #36
Fuck this infighting Phlem Jun 2014 #37
The problem that we have Aerows Jun 2014 #38
I have *never* seen the "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" argument used winter is coming Jun 2014 #51
Are you trying to justify letting Bush win over Gores VP pick? BootinUp Jun 2014 #55
Nope. I don't think Lieberman's even been mentioned in this subthread. n/t winter is coming Jun 2014 #59
It's not infighting skepticscott Jun 2014 #39
yes it is, demonstrated clearly by the very statement you just made. G_j Jun 2014 #41
the dem party blew it. couldn't turn peace and an economic boom into a walk-off homer. KG Jun 2014 #40
dubya didn't appoint any justices in his first term, so Gore also would have had to win re-election fishwax Jun 2014 #45
I spent the 2000 election talking people into supporting Gore over Nader sucessfully Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #47
thank you for mentioning the Black Caucus G_j Jun 2014 #50
I voted for Nader as a protest vote. DCBob Jun 2014 #48
I did. But I'm in N Illinois, a safe Dem state riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #49
to say nothing of the fact that... Takket Jun 2014 #52
Imagine what kind of country we'd have right now, if a corrupt supreme court had not Autumn Jun 2014 #53
If not for Ralph Nader's ego skepticscott Jun 2014 #61
Focus everybody, now is not the time to divide us. randys1 Jun 2014 #64
Very regretably, I voted Nader in 2000. AZ Mike Jun 2014 #67
I was a Nader Trader PDittie Jul 2014 #68
Nope. I've never voted for Nader. LWolf Jul 2014 #69
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