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Jim Lane

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28. NO ONE's actions exist in a vacuum.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:32 PM
Jun 2014

Nader still deserves all the opprobrium heaped upon him, and today's decisions only add to his legacy of infamy.

Sure, with the benefit of hindsight, we can see how Gore could have won. If he had spent one day more campaigning in Florida, he might have won it by a cheatproof margin. Alternatively, if he had skipped one day in Florida, and spent it instead in New Hampshire, he might have legitimately lost Florida, but won New Hampshire, and thus become President. And if he had tacked further to the right, he might have influenced some progressives to vote for Nader in California (no effect) and Florida (again, producing a legitimate win for Bush), but he might have carried his more conservative home state of Tennessee, thus becoming President.

Of course, the Naderites who bash Gore never want to consider the possibility that he could have won by being more conservative. It's always more pleasant to think, "A candidate whose views were like mine would have a better chance of winning." Those of us in the reality-based community know that that isn't always true.

I don't know if you personally are a Naderite or not, but your emphasis is certainly on Gore's failure to counteract Nader's bullshit. My emphasis is on Nader's spewing of the bullshit in the first place.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] lostincalifornia Jun 2014 OP
Why do Democrats confirm RW justices? leftstreet Jun 2014 #1
You are absolutely right. However, it is far better to have someone in their who appoints lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #5
the same reason the GOP confirms left wing ones dsc Jun 2014 #16
That's true. There's also a difference between progressive Democrats and wall street Democrats. el_bryanto Jun 2014 #2
To whom, exactly, are you talking? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #3
You. This is all your fault. Renew Deal Jun 2014 #6
I am simply making a comment, not specifically directed at anyone personally. There is a difference lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #7
My guess would be to those who have not accepted Hillary as THE candidate, as yet. djean111 Jun 2014 #11
I don't think so sharp_stick Jun 2014 #13
Maybe the 100+ people who recced this OP, for starters... DanTex Jun 2014 #25
We are assuming a Wall Street-financed Dem president will appoint a liberal judge. djean111 Jun 2014 #4
He already appointed two. Renew Deal Jun 2014 #8
Yes, and those two voted with the progressives on this lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #12
As far as women's rights are concerned compared to a republican they sure will lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #10
But Ralph Nader said Gore and Bush are the same! Democat Jun 2014 #9
A better question would be: why couldn't Al Gore convince people that winter is coming Jun 2014 #19
Yes, Gore was in such control of the media that they criticized him jeff47 Jun 2014 #21
Given all the millions the Democratic Party had to spend, they should have been able to do winter is coming Jun 2014 #22
Oh bullshit. jeff47 Jun 2014 #23
So people who spread lies get a pass if the other side doesn't do the best possible refutation? Jim Lane Jun 2014 #24
I didn't claim that people who spread lies get a free pass. winter is coming Jun 2014 #26
NO ONE's actions exist in a vacuum. Jim Lane Jun 2014 #28
And yet, Nader's the one who gets the blame primarily (and sometimes solely), winter is coming Jun 2014 #29
DUers criticize Nader because, here, criticizing SCOTUS or Harris is preaching to the choir. Jim Lane Jun 2014 #30
On a day when the SC has yet again handed down an awful decision, winter is coming Jun 2014 #31
Your cheerful assumption is contradicted by the data. Jim Lane Jun 2014 #32
Sotomayor and Kagan DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #14
absolutely lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #15
Is this whining about the DU? Nt Logical Jun 2014 #17
Nope, it isn't. It's more an observation about political realities. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2014 #18
DU rec. Fuck the "not a dime's worth of difference" types...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #20
that is what i keep saying randys1 Jun 2014 #27
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