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Aerows

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88. Point proven.

Reply to cheapdate (Reply #75)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:26 PM

Jun 2014

thank you, cheapdate.

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This "Nader" talking point is convenient [View all] Aerows Jun 2014 OP

Thanks, very well said! quinnox Jun 2014 #1

Nader is a liar roseBudd Jun 2014 #55

Nader may not have been the biggest issue but the whole mess went on for 5 weeks. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #2

I can. Aerows Jun 2014 #11

Heck, I'd go back even further: it never should've been that close a race to begin with. arcane1 Jun 2014 #3

Good post malaise Jun 2014 #4

It's the truth Aerows Jun 2014 #22

Don't want to get into a pissing contest, but there were enough enough votes that Ralph got that lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #5

No Ralph didn't get enough votes to make a difference, can't you Nader haters understand, A Simple Game Jun 2014 #91

Sorry, but the closeness of the election in Florida was influenced by Nader, and helped provide lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #95

There are close elections all the time, that too is a fact. Why do you and others A Simple Game Jul 2014 #112

Gore HARDLY "folded like an accordion". He fought like HELL until the end. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #6

Correct analysis, Nader deserves as much credibility today as Joe Lieberman, "none". gordianot Jun 2014 #10

Do not EVEN imply that I am a Nader apologist Aerows Jun 2014 #16

Nader can rot in hell. roseBudd Jun 2014 #56

And who did Gore select for VP? CrispyQ Jun 2014 #96

'Fraid I have to agree. Gore was pressured to stop fighting after they started painting him calimary Jun 2014 #27

I agree, NYC Liberal. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #29

Sorry Aerows, you are way off on this one. Nader screwed up the election by providing cover. greatlaurel Jun 2014 #7

I am certainly not saying Nader doesn't deserve scorn - he does Aerows Jun 2014 #25

Screw Ralph bradla Jun 2014 #8

Al Gore wasn't prepared for a legal battle in the state where George Bush's brother was governor. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #9

Yup. Gore won. Don't blame Nader for an extra-legal coup. nt Bonobo Jun 2014 #12

He did, but it is a convenient monologue for some Aerows Jun 2014 #18

I actually think it is a really elegant demonstration of what is wrong with the US. Bonobo Jun 2014 #38

Precisely, Bonobo. n/t Aerows Jun 2014 #86

Well said! nt Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #97

Your prediction has already been falsified. Jim Lane Jun 2014 #106

There's quite a few oddities in your own post. Bonobo Jul 2014 #107

In the context of most Nader disputes, I should be glad that "oddities" is such mild criticism. :) Jim Lane Jul 2014 #110

I blame Nader for being a liar, who put his ego above people roseBudd Jun 2014 #59

The ego claim always seems bizarre to me. Bonobo Jun 2014 #77

He lied, because of his ego. He let Republicans finance ... roseBudd Jun 2014 #81

That's what you THINK. Bonobo Jun 2014 #82

Nader was aware GOP operatives were getting him on the ballot roseBudd Jul 2014 #113

Quit with the bullshit. jeff47 Jun 2014 #13

Why is it that I posited a legal battle Aerows Jun 2014 #26

No, you posited bullshit pretending there was a legal battle option. jeff47 Jun 2014 #28

Thank goodness you aren't a lawyer Aerows Jun 2014 #31

If you actually had an answer, you'd be able to give it. jeff47 Jun 2014 #33

"The judgment of the Supreme Court of Florida is reversed... cheapdate Jun 2014 #37

Not quite jeff47 Jun 2014 #43

What could congress have done? cheapdate Jun 2014 #69

Congress certifies the election. jeff47 Jun 2014 #72

Thanks. cheapdate Jun 2014 #75

Point proven. Aerows Jun 2014 #88

I was in Florida too. There was no way to compel Republican Gov and State Legislature to count votes stevenleser Jun 2014 #14

It was so fucked up Aerows Jun 2014 #17

Their disgusting behavior is responsible for my level of political activity today. stevenleser Jun 2014 #19

+1 Me either Aerows Jun 2014 #20

Yup pretty much like it is madokie Jun 2014 #15

Totally agree. This simplistic scapegoating is kind of pathetic really RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #21

Nailed it. winter is coming Jun 2014 #23

I agree with points 1 & 2 Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #49

Your comment about the relationship between points 2 and 3 is well-taken. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #54

Even in the 90s I thought Al Gore was much more progressive than his limited role as Vice-President Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #74

Once again, although I categorically reject your blaming of Nader, we agree. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #80

I view the coup of 2000 as a perfect storm of events arrayed against Al Gore. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #94

Another thoughtful reply. Thanks RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #98

Gore wasn't "entitled" as in getting a social security check, but from a logical point of view, Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #101

"To be honest I still don't believe we have come out of or recovered from the coup of 2000." RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #102

I agree, but there is some merit in looking backward. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #103

Two different philosophies. Both necessary. Both effective RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #104

I agree but the difference being neither one of them ran against the Democratic Party. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #105

Kick and Rec! zappaman Jun 2014 #24

Yes and Abraham Lincoln chose Andrew Johnson as his Vice-President in his second term, Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #52

again.. G_j Jun 2014 #30

Everyone wants to forget that Aerows Jun 2014 #34

+1 Admitting one's failings is a sign of maturity and growth RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #35

Dont forget the butterfly ballot resulting in thousands of votes for Pat buchanan in a place where randys1 Jun 2014 #32

Nobody blames Pat Buchanan Aerows Jun 2014 #39

Awaiting a boilerplate response to your post that pushes the "electable" meme RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #50

Good point. n/t winter is coming Jun 2014 #68

Simply This... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #36

17 weeks away IS important Aerows Jun 2014 #41

Pay them no mind... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #47

Gore lost because Gore failed to convince enough voters to vote for him. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #40

Nader isn't and wasn't as important as a flea sneeze Aerows Jun 2014 #46

... winter is coming Jun 2014 #70

Even if Gore had a million more votes in Florida than Bush, the electors would have gone with Bush. alfredo Jun 2014 #64

and for every left voter DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #65

I'd say Gore was probably doing what he thought was in the country's best interest. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #42

then you should know Florida law dsc Jun 2014 #44

Federal law Aerows Jun 2014 #48

No it isn't a federal election dsc Jun 2014 #51

Nader was key in giving Bush the 2000 victory Gothmog Jun 2014 #45

Fuck Nader. Fuck his apologists. HERVEPA Jun 2014 #53

Thank you so much for your thoughtful scholarship. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #57

Voting Green Party does diddly squat roseBudd Jun 2014 #62

+1 Do GOPers hate on Ross Perot this way? leftstreet Jun 2014 #58

Gore knew the fix was in and there was nothing he could do. alfredo Jun 2014 #60

I think that's quite possible RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #73

I have little faith in the survival of our democratic system. alfredo Jun 2014 #99

I may be a bit more optimistic than you.... RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #100

I guess it's because I am too old and broken to man the barricades. :| alfredo Jul 2014 #118

I hear ya. My bright-eyed, bushy-tailed "Let's put on a show" days are waning. RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #121

I'm from the south so I have mixed feelings about what the Democrats used to be. I much prefer alfredo Jul 2014 #122

Point taken RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #123

We grew up, the Republicans regressed alfredo Jul 2014 #124

I was in Florida in 2000 as well and I think that's nonsense Orangepeel Jun 2014 #61

I will never forgive Nader. Given the chance I would spit on him. roseBudd Jun 2014 #63

Where were you in 2000? cerveza_gratis Jun 2014 #66

codswallop. cali Jun 2014 #67

Calling it as I see it Cali Aerows Jun 2014 #90

You know we agree on that, but still, beyond fighting for months cali Jul 2014 #111

Watch this press conference from C Span at the time of the recount Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #71

Yep Aerows Jun 2014 #76

yes, this did happen G_j Jun 2014 #79

It seems some folks want to forget that it happened Aerows Jun 2014 #83

It's incredibly easy to see after studing the issue.... dirtydickcheney Jun 2014 #78

I'm no psychiatrist, but I'm inclined to agree. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #84

The Nader talking point is.... MaggieD Jun 2014 #85

You get a Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Jun 2014 #87

call it what it is/was -- a betrayal to all of those that voted for him stupidicus Jun 2014 #89

I detest him Aerows Jun 2014 #92

I haven't gone that far stupidicus Jul 2014 #114

Oops, sorry I think I broke it Aerows Jun 2014 #93

I thought you must be referring to Gore when I read that. Bonobo Jul 2014 #108

great point stupidicus Jul 2014 #115

Anyone that likes to skip over the SCOTUS decision for Nader Rex Jul 2014 #109

Gore was actually overtaking Bush until the faxed in "military votes" started coming in. yellowcanine Jul 2014 #116

Why beat a 5 year old dead horse when we can beat a 14 year old dead horse! IronLionZion Jul 2014 #117

The horse may be dead but an autopsy was never done on said horse. yellowcanine Jul 2014 #120

Nader played by the rules, Gore played by the rules. Bush et al. did not. Let's yellowcanine Jul 2014 #119