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betterdemsonly

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49. Thank you for that?

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:20 AM

Jul 2014

Do think trying gain the trust of Nader voters is more productive than assigning blame? Politics is addition not subtraction. "Vote for me you stupid fuckers!" is not a good campaign slogan. Particularly when you have failed to deliver on issues that a voter might care about.

See that is the problem. I voted for Gore as a lesser evil but I was highly tempted to vote Nader, because Gore had so many issues that seemed like betrayals, particularly by nominating Lieberman.

I am highly skeptical of those who claim Gore would have reacted to 9/11 differently than Bush. Lieberman and Peretz were neocons. I think the only difference would have been UN approval but he would have gone in there never the less.

Look at the behavior of other dlcers. Look at Obama's tendency to indulge neocons like Victoria Nuland, on Syria, the Ukraine and now Iraq. We're sending advisors to Iraq.

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"we want to punish the Democrats, we want to hurt them, wound them" [View all] joshcryer Jul 2014 OP

Lots of leftist groups in on the $cam. "Fundraising" is much easier under Republicans. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #1

Yup. And Nader's Public Citizen is one of the winners under a Rethug administration. pnwmom Jul 2014 #8

+1. It's the same reason I don't take FDL seriously anymore. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #2

Did I paint such a narrative? joshcryer Jul 2014 #4

Tell that to the Nader supporters who thought he was a hero. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #10

Nader destroyed any respect intelligent, informed people might have for him BillZBubb Jul 2014 #3

We are in a bad way, BootinUp Jul 2014 #5

Looks like they'll be eroding the EEOC next. joshcryer Jul 2014 #6

Here's a major problem with your argument. Bonobo Jul 2014 #7

So, per your last paragraph you want Democrats geek tragedy Jul 2014 #9

This is not unusual from that DU'er. nt BootinUp Jul 2014 #13

Nope. Though usually more coy. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #14

No, I want them to be taught the foolishness of ignoring their base. nt Bonobo Jul 2014 #16

the base of the party are minorities and women voters which are voting Dem JI7 Jul 2014 #40

Their base is African-Americans, Latinos, GLBT, Asians, younger voters, and geek tragedy Jul 2014 #80

It's about building the Green Party, not necessarily shifting Dems. joshcryer Jul 2014 #18

that's why he refused to support Paul Wellstone until very late JI7 Jul 2014 #11

Don't forget his sneering reference to "gonadal politics" geek tragedy Jul 2014 #12

People care about other issues besides just abortion betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #15

Sorry, but 308,000 Democrats voting for Bush vs 24000 for Nader is hard to overlook. progressoid Jul 2014 #17

A similar amount of Republicans voted for Gore. joshcryer Jul 2014 #19

Maybe you should straighten up and start expressing serious betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #20

I'm just trying to clear up the revisionism. joshcryer Jul 2014 #21

I don't deny Nader may have gotten votes from the left side of the democrats betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #22

I don't think he was obligated to help Gore. joshcryer Jul 2014 #29

I largely agree with you but disagree about 9/11. Jim Lane Jul 2014 #34

I think the gambit might have worked, though. joshcryer Jul 2014 #36

Trading speculations here.... Jim Lane Jul 2014 #66

You make good points. joshcryer Jul 2014 #69

Do we not have a dem potus betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #38

He had Congress for a whole 39 days. joshcryer Jul 2014 #42

He had both houses from 2008 to 2010 betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #44

Al Franken wasn't seated and Ted Kennedy died. joshcryer Jul 2014 #45

What Gore's Vp betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #46

No doubt Gore fucked that up. joshcryer Jul 2014 #48

Thank you for that? betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #49

Most Nader supporters were waffling independents. joshcryer Jul 2014 #51

Actually an activist career proves nothing betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #54

Gore's career after leaving office is untarnished. joshcryer Jul 2014 #57

He wasn't forced to accept the mandate at all betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #61

Yes he was, read Sanders' remarks on mandates. joshcryer Jul 2014 #64

Deficite Hawkery has never been compatable with progressivism betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #67

Gore failed on many fronts betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #56

It's apparant you're just googling anti-Gore stuff now. joshcryer Jul 2014 #60

Then your pretty damn cynical betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #63

Cynicism defines the political junkie. joshcryer Jul 2014 #65

How could the VP nom equal an issue exactly? BootinUp Jul 2014 #52

Well you know that VP Dick Cheney betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #55

Cheney did what Bush told/allowed him to do. Little thing called the Constitution BootinUp Jul 2014 #59

Not according to exit polls progressoid Jul 2014 #25

Similar enough. joshcryer Jul 2014 #26

8% and 13% are hardly similar. progressoid Jul 2014 #28

90% and 85% are. joshcryer Jul 2014 #30

True. I voted for Gore. Since you sort of asked. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #23

O'Connor should've recused herself. joshcryer Jul 2014 #24

And, since she realized.. "Sandra Day O�Connor Finally Realizes Bush v. Gore Ruling Was Terrible Cha Jul 2014 #31

I believe she has since said that her decision might have been wrong. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #33

Oh fuck yeah.. "TweedleDum and TweedleDee". When it's Nader who's TweedleDum and TweedleDee Cha Jul 2014 #27

yes, this is the shit that i hate, the fucking lies about no difference JI7 Jul 2014 #37

Lies.. exactly. And now naderites are using nader double speak to claim when we say "nader" we Cha Jul 2014 #39

K&R freshwest Jul 2014 #32

Kick Cha Jul 2014 #35

Nader "punished" the whole damn country. Especially the family and loved one of those Killed in Iraq Cha Jul 2014 #41

"cold shower" indeed... joshcryer Jul 2014 #43

the Law of Unintended consequences from Lying to get Votes.. and now the naders are out Cha Jul 2014 #47

I don't even care about that. joshcryer Jul 2014 #50

Oh yeah, some are grasping on to a thread of a pass for nader but it's double speak and doesn't Cha Jul 2014 #53

Why do you have such faith Gore would have kept us out of Iraq betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #58

Al Gore on September 23, 2002? joshcryer Jul 2014 #62

A position he took out of office betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #68

He appeared to be running in 2004. joshcryer Jul 2014 #70

And, Gore would have micromangaged the shit out of that August 6th memo. Cha Jul 2014 #72

+1 joshcryer Jul 2014 #75

Why do you even ask such a stupid question? Cha Jul 2014 #71

Because she doesn't want to talk about Nader? BootinUp Jul 2014 #73

Really. Distract with stupid inanity.. that's the ticket. Cha Jul 2014 #74

Sidenote: It wasn't Hiroshima and Nagasaki who broke Japan's will to fight. DetlefK Jul 2014 #76

The firebombing campaigns killed more. joshcryer Jul 2014 #77

it seems that this topic pops up from time to time, for whatever reason... Javaman Jul 2014 #78

Many DUers feel the urge to punish Democrats IronLionZion Jul 2014 #79

"Since Democratic Underground exists to bury the Democrats deep Underground." Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #84

During the 2000 election I was busy talking jaded showbiz liberals into voting for Gore over Nader Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #82

I had a very different experience. joshcryer Jul 2014 #85

Nader could have, no, SHOULD have supported Gore Zambero Jul 2014 #83