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bvar22

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107. The "Mandate" is not the problem.

Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:48 PM

Apr 2012

A MANDATE without a robust, publicly owned/government administered NATIONAL Public Option is The PROBLEM.
Public Options administered by the individual states will be so diluted and burdened with redundant administrative costs that they would not be able to offer marketable cost savings.
The bigger the risk pool,
the greater the savings.

Even Candidate Obama stated that a Public Option was necessary to "Keep the Insurance Companies honest."

Howard dean stated that without a Public Option, there is NO reform.

I agree with Candidate Obama and Dr Dean.

You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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Once Upon a Time, Liberals Hated the Individual Health Insurance Mandate [View all] Better Believe It Apr 2012 OP

That's because we didn't want insurance at all, just a universal health plan, but Cleita Apr 2012 #1

We "got stuck" with the insurance industry bill when the administration decided to stick us with it Better Believe It Apr 2012 #5

Then what? cliffordu Apr 2012 #52

Obama's health care plan in the primaries was the same as Hillary Clinton's plan, only Liquorice Apr 2012 #68

More ProSense Apr 2012 #2

Timothy P Carney?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #3

Avik Roy? ProSense Apr 2012 #8

It's worse than that.... SunsetDreams Apr 2012 #10

Oh my! n/t ProSense Apr 2012 #12

Holy shit, hahaha. joshcryer Apr 2012 #16

Yikes indeed. What stranger bedfellows. Here's Ezra Klein's take: joshcryer Apr 2012 #14

There is ProSense Apr 2012 #18

Thanks, Sid... russspeakeasy Apr 2012 #13

As long as it is a hatchet job, BBI promotes it. emulatorloo Apr 2012 #24

Hey Sid! Scurrilous Apr 2012 #38

Hehehe... SidDithers Apr 2012 #76

Mandates suck, but not as bad as what we had before. Hoyt Apr 2012 #4

It will be far worse. This legislation was written by big business lobbyists. Need I say more? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #6

So just don't purchase it. You're not being forced to buy anything. Pay the tax instead. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #7

And pay again when services are needed? MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #11

That's the ideal solution.. russspeakeasy Apr 2012 #15

And two-thirds of Americans want it MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #17

I'd go for Medicare for all, but the cost is still going to tick folks off. Hoyt Apr 2012 #19

Unless we totally fuck it up, we'll save a fortune MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #20

At best you'll save 15%, and then only if people moderate expectations. Hoyt Apr 2012 #23

Exactly right! You get it. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #22

Having a reasonable Medicare for All payroll tax would be fine. Who is proposing that? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #21

I like your post Go Vols Apr 2012 #37

You can choose to look at it that way or you can look at it as helping your fellow Americans. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #39

Huh? That isn't how taxes work. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #44

The Govt IS shouldering the cost. MILLIONS of new people will receive MediCare. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #116

Paying taxes for a Medicare for All single payer system is good but that's not being proposed. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #95

But MILLIONS of new recipients of MediCare IS progressive. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #117

Their won't be millions of new recipients of Medicare. The qualifying age remains 65 years old. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #124

Actually, because some people will qualify to have their premiums subsidized the government will dflprincess Apr 2012 #114

That's actually a good way of looking at it, being if you choose the tax it will be done during tax FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #118

Yeah, we got a raw deal, but we're helping people, and progressing. joshcryer Apr 2012 #9

The significant parts of the article of course BBI omitted those. Leads with the negative, emulatorloo Apr 2012 #25

Assumes people won't read the links. joshcryer Apr 2012 #42

Same tactic Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #82

*Liberals* still do. Marr Apr 2012 #26

BLAST you and your Republican talking points! Zalatix Apr 2012 #27

I hope people don't listen to a guy in Romney's Health Care Policy Advisory Group joshcryer Apr 2012 #30

See post #3. Poor choice of source. emulatorloo Apr 2012 #31

True, unfortunately his name sullies the basic fact that he's right. Zalatix Apr 2012 #33

And the present "fight," where everyone argues for what they were once against, is very strange. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #59

Exactly. Zalatix Apr 2012 #60

I have always been for mandates. joshcryer Apr 2012 #66

using a RWer to once again slam dems? have you no shame? don't answer. dionysus Apr 2012 #28

Almost as offensive as passing far right wing legislation and calling it a liberal victory. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #45

lol dionysus Apr 2012 #50

The Heritage Foundation, Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich are not Right Wing? Dragonfli Apr 2012 #85

+100000 nt woo me with science Apr 2012 #78

The ACA is "far right wing legislation"?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #79

The Heritage Foundation, Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich are not Right Wing? Dragonfli Apr 2012 #86

Comedy gold... SidDithers Apr 2012 #90

You have neglected the needs of your own country, you need to convince people like Michael M. Rachli Dragonfli Apr 2012 #92

X100 You sum it up perfectly. bvar22 Apr 2012 #97

. dionysus Apr 2012 #111

The post of an educated man Dragonfli Apr 2012 #119

i'd like to take this opportunity to thank you guys for the continued free entertainment... dionysus Apr 2012 #123

Again, the entire depth of your arguing ability, 11 year old comedian. Dragonfli Apr 2012 #125

+1 Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #112

Yes, exactly. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2012 #113

So did you embrace the Republican/RW support for mandatory private insurance .... Better Believe It Apr 2012 #96

what i don't embrace are anti-dem campaigns... dionysus Apr 2012 #108

So how do you feel about mandatory private health insurance first proposed by right-wing Republicans Better Believe It Apr 2012 #109

i'll just leave you to your little campaign. dionysus Apr 2012 #110

I have hated that Heritage Foundation POS for at least 20 years now, I must change 180 now Dragonfli Apr 2012 #29

<tweety voice> You bad ol' Democrat! Zalatix Apr 2012 #35

No ProSense Apr 2012 #40

What? Dragonfli Apr 2012 #46

Not a chance ProSense Apr 2012 #48

Dance all you want to, I won't dislike you for it, but it has been a GOP plan for over 20 years Dragonfli Apr 2012 #49

I'm ProSense Apr 2012 #51

None of that changes the reality that it is a bad Right Wing Idea from 20 years ago Dragonfli Apr 2012 #53

And ProSense Apr 2012 #54

Blue links do not negate history, particularly history within easy memory. TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author ProSense Apr 2012 #54

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"being duped by Romney advisers makes one a better Democrat" NCTraveler Apr 2012 #87

^^^^I taut I tay a pudy cat! ^^^^ Dragonfli Apr 2012 #47

One thing I've always wondered... BlueCheese Apr 2012 #32

This might ProSense Apr 2012 #36

Political opportunism to differentiate himself. He never ruled it out. joshcryer Apr 2012 #41

He didn't rule out jail time either. Or execution, for that matter. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #61

*sigh* I remember. Edwards and Hillary were for the mandate. Obama flopped. joshcryer Apr 2012 #62

no idea what your point is. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #63

It was never a strong position is all I'm saying. joshcryer Apr 2012 #64

Yep. He lied. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #65

Eh, I doubt he planned to flip flop, made him look weak. joshcryer Apr 2012 #67

Obama is NOT a liberal, this article is bogus on that account nt msongs Apr 2012 #34

Happy Birthday, Obamacare (Part Deux!) ProSense Apr 2012 #43

It's the best we can do in a country that will not allow government based solutions. mmonk Apr 2012 #69

And yet two thirds of Americans want Medicare for all... Fumesucker Apr 2012 #70

But no solution is on the horizon and corporatism is getting worse. mmonk Apr 2012 #71

Isn't going quite as planned, is it? Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #72

Continually rehashing the past is unhealthy for relationships and AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #102

The mandate was a minor point of difference between Obama and Clinton's Healthcare plans. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #73

Pathetic. Truly. You really are desperate. Makes me queasy. cali Apr 2012 #74

Once upon a time, liberals didn't post opinions from right-wing authors...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #77

Why are you using a RW gasbag as a source? Odin2005 Apr 2012 #80

Are you denying the fact that Republicans proposed the mandate and liberal Democrats opposed it? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #84

So are you admiting that the article was absolutely true on corporate support for the mandate? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #94

k&r and thank-you for saying it in plain english. robinlynne Apr 2012 #81

Evidently, ProSense Apr 2012 #83

John Edwards was the first candidate to propose a "Public Option". bvar22 Apr 2012 #98

And now Edwards owes the gov't $2.1 million. Go figure. AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #100

He also ProSense Apr 2012 #103

looks pretty mandatey to me AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #104

The "Mandate" is not the problem. bvar22 Apr 2012 #107

Edwards was, or is. robinlynne Apr 2012 #134

REAL Liberals still HATE the individual Mandate DLCbeedaGOP Apr 2012 #88

... SidDithers Apr 2012 #89

Go figure. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #91

the real ones still do.... mike_c Apr 2012 #93

+100 wickerwoman Apr 2012 #120

American's concerns and lives are "off the table", the corrupt table that is just1voice Apr 2012 #99

See Gore Vidal, Frank Zappa, etc. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #101

Once upon a time, the Democratic Party was run by liberals. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #105

Considering the sources you quoted, MineralMan Apr 2012 #106

Well this Liberal still does. Matariki Apr 2012 #115

liberals used to be against a lot of things Enrique Apr 2012 #121

I still do. Ganja Ninja Apr 2012 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author Dragonfli Apr 2012 #126

I still hate it :( varelse Apr 2012 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author Dragonfli Apr 2012 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Dragonfli Apr 2012 #130

So when your last thread didn't go your way, you decide to post again? jeff47 Apr 2012 #129

well, yeah. the anti dem campaign never stops. dionysus Apr 2012 #131

The use of right-wing sources is particularly telling...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #132

So you disagreed with the following comment? If so, why? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #133