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yellowcanine

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119. Nader played by the rules, Gore played by the rules. Bush et al. did not. Let's

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:49 AM

Jul 2014

put the blame where it lies. Much as we may not like him, Nader played by the rules to get on the ballot. Gore played by the rules in fighting for an accurate count of the votes but he could not go against a 5-4 SCOTUS decision without tearing the country apart. His mistakes were those anyone would have made given the complexity and the chaos of the Florida election system, which was mostly the fault of Florida Republicans. Let's not forget that it was the Bush team and their allies - aka Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush, the Florida Republican Legislators, and assorted Republican thugs from around the country who fought against an accurate count of the votes cast. All this after employing various tactics to prevent legitimate voters from voting or having their votes counted correctly. And then the SCOTUS undercut Gore and the voters of the whole country by handing down a decision clearly based on partisan considerations rather than the law or the Constitution. Put the blame where it lies.

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This "Nader" talking point is convenient [View all] Aerows Jun 2014 OP

Thanks, very well said! quinnox Jun 2014 #1

Nader is a liar roseBudd Jun 2014 #55

Nader may not have been the biggest issue but the whole mess went on for 5 weeks. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #2

I can. Aerows Jun 2014 #11

Heck, I'd go back even further: it never should've been that close a race to begin with. arcane1 Jun 2014 #3

Good post malaise Jun 2014 #4

It's the truth Aerows Jun 2014 #22

Don't want to get into a pissing contest, but there were enough enough votes that Ralph got that lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #5

No Ralph didn't get enough votes to make a difference, can't you Nader haters understand, A Simple Game Jun 2014 #91

Sorry, but the closeness of the election in Florida was influenced by Nader, and helped provide lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #95

There are close elections all the time, that too is a fact. Why do you and others A Simple Game Jul 2014 #112

Gore HARDLY "folded like an accordion". He fought like HELL until the end. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #6

Correct analysis, Nader deserves as much credibility today as Joe Lieberman, "none". gordianot Jun 2014 #10

Do not EVEN imply that I am a Nader apologist Aerows Jun 2014 #16

Nader can rot in hell. roseBudd Jun 2014 #56

And who did Gore select for VP? CrispyQ Jun 2014 #96

'Fraid I have to agree. Gore was pressured to stop fighting after they started painting him calimary Jun 2014 #27

I agree, NYC Liberal. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #29

Sorry Aerows, you are way off on this one. Nader screwed up the election by providing cover. greatlaurel Jun 2014 #7

I am certainly not saying Nader doesn't deserve scorn - he does Aerows Jun 2014 #25

Screw Ralph bradla Jun 2014 #8

Al Gore wasn't prepared for a legal battle in the state where George Bush's brother was governor. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #9

Yup. Gore won. Don't blame Nader for an extra-legal coup. nt Bonobo Jun 2014 #12

He did, but it is a convenient monologue for some Aerows Jun 2014 #18

I actually think it is a really elegant demonstration of what is wrong with the US. Bonobo Jun 2014 #38

Precisely, Bonobo. n/t Aerows Jun 2014 #86

Well said! nt Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #97

Your prediction has already been falsified. Jim Lane Jul 2014 #106

There's quite a few oddities in your own post. Bonobo Jul 2014 #107

In the context of most Nader disputes, I should be glad that "oddities" is such mild criticism. :) Jim Lane Jul 2014 #110

I blame Nader for being a liar, who put his ego above people roseBudd Jun 2014 #59

The ego claim always seems bizarre to me. Bonobo Jun 2014 #77

He lied, because of his ego. He let Republicans finance ... roseBudd Jun 2014 #81

That's what you THINK. Bonobo Jun 2014 #82

Nader was aware GOP operatives were getting him on the ballot roseBudd Jul 2014 #113

Quit with the bullshit. jeff47 Jun 2014 #13

Why is it that I posited a legal battle Aerows Jun 2014 #26

No, you posited bullshit pretending there was a legal battle option. jeff47 Jun 2014 #28

Thank goodness you aren't a lawyer Aerows Jun 2014 #31

If you actually had an answer, you'd be able to give it. jeff47 Jun 2014 #33

"The judgment of the Supreme Court of Florida is reversed... cheapdate Jun 2014 #37

Not quite jeff47 Jun 2014 #43

What could congress have done? cheapdate Jun 2014 #69

Congress certifies the election. jeff47 Jun 2014 #72

Thanks. cheapdate Jun 2014 #75

Point proven. Aerows Jun 2014 #88

I was in Florida too. There was no way to compel Republican Gov and State Legislature to count votes stevenleser Jun 2014 #14

It was so fucked up Aerows Jun 2014 #17

Their disgusting behavior is responsible for my level of political activity today. stevenleser Jun 2014 #19

+1 Me either Aerows Jun 2014 #20

Yup pretty much like it is madokie Jun 2014 #15

Totally agree. This simplistic scapegoating is kind of pathetic really RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #21

Nailed it. winter is coming Jun 2014 #23

I agree with points 1 & 2 Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #49

Your comment about the relationship between points 2 and 3 is well-taken. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #54

Even in the 90s I thought Al Gore was much more progressive than his limited role as Vice-President Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #74

Once again, although I categorically reject your blaming of Nader, we agree. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #80

I view the coup of 2000 as a perfect storm of events arrayed against Al Gore. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #94

Another thoughtful reply. Thanks RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #98

Gore wasn't "entitled" as in getting a social security check, but from a logical point of view, Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #101

"To be honest I still don't believe we have come out of or recovered from the coup of 2000." RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #102

I agree, but there is some merit in looking backward. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #103

Two different philosophies. Both necessary. Both effective RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #104

I agree but the difference being neither one of them ran against the Democratic Party. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #105

Kick and Rec! zappaman Jun 2014 #24

Yes and Abraham Lincoln chose Andrew Johnson as his Vice-President in his second term, Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #52

again.. G_j Jun 2014 #30

Everyone wants to forget that Aerows Jun 2014 #34

+1 Admitting one's failings is a sign of maturity and growth RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #35

Dont forget the butterfly ballot resulting in thousands of votes for Pat buchanan in a place where randys1 Jun 2014 #32

Nobody blames Pat Buchanan Aerows Jun 2014 #39

Awaiting a boilerplate response to your post that pushes the "electable" meme RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #50

Good point. n/t winter is coming Jun 2014 #68

Simply This... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #36

17 weeks away IS important Aerows Jun 2014 #41

Pay them no mind... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #47

Gore lost because Gore failed to convince enough voters to vote for him. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #40

Nader isn't and wasn't as important as a flea sneeze Aerows Jun 2014 #46

... winter is coming Jun 2014 #70

Even if Gore had a million more votes in Florida than Bush, the electors would have gone with Bush. alfredo Jun 2014 #64

and for every left voter DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #65

I'd say Gore was probably doing what he thought was in the country's best interest. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #42

then you should know Florida law dsc Jun 2014 #44

Federal law Aerows Jun 2014 #48

No it isn't a federal election dsc Jun 2014 #51

Nader was key in giving Bush the 2000 victory Gothmog Jun 2014 #45

Fuck Nader. Fuck his apologists. HERVEPA Jun 2014 #53

Thank you so much for your thoughtful scholarship. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #57

Voting Green Party does diddly squat roseBudd Jun 2014 #62

+1 Do GOPers hate on Ross Perot this way? leftstreet Jun 2014 #58

Gore knew the fix was in and there was nothing he could do. alfredo Jun 2014 #60

I think that's quite possible RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #73

I have little faith in the survival of our democratic system. alfredo Jun 2014 #99

I may be a bit more optimistic than you.... RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #100

I guess it's because I am too old and broken to man the barricades. :| alfredo Jul 2014 #118

I hear ya. My bright-eyed, bushy-tailed "Let's put on a show" days are waning. RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #121

I'm from the south so I have mixed feelings about what the Democrats used to be. I much prefer alfredo Jul 2014 #122

Point taken RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #123

We grew up, the Republicans regressed alfredo Jul 2014 #124

I was in Florida in 2000 as well and I think that's nonsense Orangepeel Jun 2014 #61

I will never forgive Nader. Given the chance I would spit on him. roseBudd Jun 2014 #63

Where were you in 2000? cerveza_gratis Jun 2014 #66

codswallop. cali Jun 2014 #67

Calling it as I see it Cali Aerows Jun 2014 #90

You know we agree on that, but still, beyond fighting for months cali Jul 2014 #111

Watch this press conference from C Span at the time of the recount Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #71

Yep Aerows Jun 2014 #76

yes, this did happen G_j Jun 2014 #79

It seems some folks want to forget that it happened Aerows Jun 2014 #83

It's incredibly easy to see after studing the issue.... dirtydickcheney Jun 2014 #78

I'm no psychiatrist, but I'm inclined to agree. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #84

The Nader talking point is.... MaggieD Jun 2014 #85

You get a Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Jun 2014 #87

call it what it is/was -- a betrayal to all of those that voted for him stupidicus Jun 2014 #89

I detest him Aerows Jun 2014 #92

I haven't gone that far stupidicus Jul 2014 #114

Oops, sorry I think I broke it Aerows Jun 2014 #93

I thought you must be referring to Gore when I read that. Bonobo Jul 2014 #108

great point stupidicus Jul 2014 #115

Anyone that likes to skip over the SCOTUS decision for Nader Rex Jul 2014 #109

Gore was actually overtaking Bush until the faxed in "military votes" started coming in. yellowcanine Jul 2014 #116

Why beat a 5 year old dead horse when we can beat a 14 year old dead horse! IronLionZion Jul 2014 #117

The horse may be dead but an autopsy was never done on said horse. yellowcanine Jul 2014 #120

Nader played by the rules, Gore played by the rules. Bush et al. did not. Let's yellowcanine Jul 2014 #119