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JoyinTorah

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73. MRA's and AVFM is a hate group
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jul 2014

I've monitored the activities of AVFM for years before it became something the media talked about. They are indeed a hate group bordering on cult status. The leader Paul Elam, rakes in about $100K or more a year by writing woman hating screeds with his friends on AVFM. He doesn't do anything for men and boys with the money either. He admits he pockets it. I don't know if links are allowed here but I'll put just one to my blog so you can see for yourself what a racket this Elam guy's got going.

mancheeze.wordpress.com

He also manufactured the 'feminist death threats' supposedly made to the original venue at the Hilton but the Detroit police NOR the hotel have reported any such threats. Elam told that story to raise another $33K and is now asking for another $20K. It's a huge money racket.

One highly respected MRA is telling other MRA"s at AVFM that Elam needs a quarter million dollars to help him overthrow something. Who knows what. Probably some silly lawsuit that was mentioned over and over at the conference.

The PR person for AVFM stated there will be more attacks and doxxing of individual women that AVFM doesn't like. They've already started harassing a female TIME reporter.

MRA's think that because a few women are involved with them that they aren't misogynists. One of the highest profile women, Karen Straghn, gave a 30 minute talk at the con about how Suffrage was a bad idea and that giving women the vote without 'responsibilities' was wrong. Yes, she literally talked about how ANY feminist struggle, including the right to vote, was a bad idea. In fact, her entire talk was based on anecdotes from the 18th and 19th century, taken out of historical context and made to paint women and feminists in a bad light. She admitted 'I'm an anti-feminist and I don't give a shit.'

Anyone here standing up for AVFM and MRA's should be treated with scorn and suspicion. You can't be for equality if you tolerate a hate group such as AVFM.

There is still a men's movement. It began in the 70's and remained alongside and friendly to feminism. However THESE current MRA movements are indeed male supremacy movements.

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The international men's conference, or the international RW men's conference? merrily Jun 2014 #1
They really only want one thing: Complete subjugation of women, including ending their suffrage. Scuba Jun 2014 #2
It's so weird, they have some legit issues but they just seem to complain instead of seaglass Jun 2014 #3
That's pretty close to what SPLC said in their evaluation of MRAs. stevenleser Jun 2014 #15
And that it's an anti-feminist movement has been repeated here many times Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #31
Actually MRA's do a lot Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #28
A lot of these "men's rights activists" don't actually seem to be for "men's rights" IronLionZion Jun 2014 #4
If they decide women can be treated differently than men boston bean Jun 2014 #5
This guy actually said this - like out loud? JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #6
might have been a woman. They have some self loathers boston bean Jun 2014 #7
Hey I'm for a global woman's movement JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #13
A quick and easy Google search shows that... Lancero Jun 2014 #8
Thanks - so she' a traitor JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #11
Given your phrasing, I'm assuming your theory includes the words "Ugly Crone"? Lancero Jun 2014 #12
Nope JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #14
Waxing a bikini line? For a real litmus test of what? WCLinolVir Jun 2014 #21
I am absolutely an ageist against Phyllis Schlafly JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #52
She doesn't wax! WCLinolVir Jun 2014 #27
Erin Pizzey is a good human being not sure why people are attacking her Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #40
To complete the picture, she's probably gotta gun, too. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #57
omg Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #61
I gotta gun too! JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #70
And there is nothing wrong with a woman being an MRA Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #30
MRAs are not analogous to feminists. That you think they are speaks VOLUMES about you. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #32
Yes I believe both affiliations take things to the extreme currently Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #36
MRAs are dangerous nutjobs. redqueen Jun 2014 #39
They are not dangerous nut jobs just because they espouse things I disagree with Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #42
They are dangerous nut jobs because they are hate groups. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #43
I do not agree with that at all Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #44
If that's what they were doing, they wouldn't be hate groups. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #47
Thank rq JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #54
Completely agree with everything you just said. redqueen Jun 2014 #65
the same folks that cheered the kid that shot women DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #49
Mussolini made the trains run on time. n/t Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #41
In 99 cases out of 100 you'd be right, but in this case you're not LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #38
Let's agree to disagree JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #48
Agree to disagree? It's a fact that this is a woman and not a man. LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #58
Which I did and admitted to JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #59
Just name the day, JAG because I am with you. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #66
I'm thinking Christmas Eve JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #67
me too, sister. me too. steam out my ears pissed. hold me back. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #68
truthfully weissmam Jun 2014 #9
Yup. That's pretty much sums up this group. smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #74
"We need to name names." That's chilling until you remember that they are pretty pathetic. el_bryanto Jun 2014 #10
I think anyone who ever wanted a reason to hate Hillary has found it somehow already. stevenleser Jun 2014 #16
Well if she makes it through the primary process I'll certainly support her in the general election el_bryanto Jun 2014 #17
So death threats are just no big deal? redqueen Jun 2014 #33
Of course death threats are a big deal el_bryanto Jun 2014 #34
Yeah I noticed you were talking about Hillary... redqueen Jun 2014 #37
That is a group of seriously bitter and screwed up people hack89 Jun 2014 #18
This is actually a pretty big deal. Orrex Jun 2014 #19
3 women actually spoke at the conference, which supposedly had 100 attendees. WCLinolVir Jun 2014 #20
They don't want to make decisions for themselves on any level. boston bean Jun 2014 #23
I tend to think they want attention badly, like AC. WCLinolVir Jun 2014 #26
Internalized patriarchy. redqueen Jun 2014 #35
Erin Pizzey's is a childhood of chaos and brutality within a privileged upper class British family. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #46
so here is a woman abused by her father DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #51
Because her mother was abusive too, therefore feminism is wrong Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #63
I tend to think that on one level, projection is the lesser of evils. WCLinolVir Jun 2014 #55
I found it interesting that her mother seems to get all of the blame Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #62
Yes, it's as if she had to pick her battle, and since WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #71
Aw, poor babies. (n/t) Iggo Jun 2014 #22
What the MRA's are saying is what a lot of feminists are saying now Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #24
I don’t see a future for marriage, for love, or for anything.” damnedifIknow Jun 2014 #25
Actually tha is a very hard truth most people can't accept Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #29
obviously you do not read DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #50
I thought this was another USSC thread liberalmuse Jun 2014 #45
Pizzey Fit PumpkinAle Jun 2014 #53
+1000. It scares her. Isn't that enough? WCLinolVir Jun 2014 #56
don't forget the "campus rape claims are nothing more than buyer's remorse" geek tragedy Jun 2014 #60
So how much are they spending on security KamaAina Jun 2014 #64
Feminists and MRAs should just get married and save the rest of us the grief davidn3600 Jun 2014 #69
100% false balance. You're the second person in this thread to try to portray feminists and MRAs redqueen Jul 2014 #72
Kind of like how the NAACP and the KKK should get married. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #75
MRA's and AVFM is a hate group JoyinTorah Jul 2014 #73
why oh why did I know DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #76
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