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avebury

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91. You must have missed the clarification issued by the Supreme Court today.

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 08:01 PM

Jul 2014

The SC ruling actually covers ALL forms of birth control. Hobby Lobby is under no requirement what so ever to provide any birth control coverage should they choose to go that route.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Tuesday confirmed that its decision a day earlier extending religious rights to closely held corporations applies broadly to the contraceptive coverage requirement in the new health care law, not just the handful of methods the justices considered in their ruling.
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> The justices also ordered lower courts that ruled in favor of the Obama administration to reconsider those decisions in light of Monday's 5-4 decision.
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> Hobby Lobby had provided their employees with birth control coverage up until Obamacare was passed. Now they don't have ot provide any coverage at all.

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2014/07/hobby_lobby_supreme_court_ruli.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/01/1310918/-Supreme-Court-clarifies-Yes-Hobby-Lobby-is-about-all-slut-pills

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2014/07/01/3728386/justices-say-birth-control-ruling.html?sp=/99/101/235/

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Time to put Hobby Lobby Out of Business. [View all] riqster Jul 2014 OP

Rude Pundit? Zat you? louis-t Jul 2014 #1

You want to have 16,000 employees yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #4

It is just was evil to allow Hobby Lobby to use their avebury Jul 2014 #59

Good points. riqster Jul 2014 #68

Their employees can work for their competitors. riqster Jul 2014 #18

Hey, somebody else read the economics textbook too! dawg Jul 2014 #25

Lots of years in business and IT consulting. riqster Jul 2014 #26

Who will now be able to pay their employees less joeglow3 Jul 2014 #116

Maybe. But keep in mind, other trends mititate towards higher wages. riqster Jul 2014 #117

If they are truly filling a niche MattBaggins Jul 2014 #113

Yes! Let's make 20,000 employees who had nothing to do with this unemployed! Lurks Often Jul 2014 #2

Good point, but... Wait Wut Jul 2014 #5

I doubt there is enough of a market, but that might be a regional thing Lurks Often Jul 2014 #23

If there isn't enough of a market, Hobby Lobby would already be out of business. jeff47 Jul 2014 #75

Yep. Business 101. riqster Jul 2014 #94

Amazon ought to get really good at that market, and undercut them. MADem Jul 2014 #133

Michaels is a publicly traded company as of last week csziggy Jul 2014 #121

Closely held, eh? riqster Jul 2014 #131

Out of curiosity..... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #138

The supremes ruled that "closely held" businesses could take the religious exemption. riqster Jul 2014 #139

The post above that you responded to was announcing the IPO of Michaels, a competitor... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #147

Derp. I'm an idiot. Thanks. riqster Jul 2014 #150

LOL....no worries A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #153

Good news! Wait Wut Jul 2014 #168

They can be hired by their competitors n2doc Jul 2014 #8

Agreed. bluedigger Jul 2014 #16

I wonder if HL competitors YarnAddict Jul 2014 #126

Yeah, I was surprised to see this goldent Jul 2014 #134

I wonder if they did that YarnAddict Jul 2014 #135

Possible. The timing is interesting. riqster Jul 2014 #140

Boycott won't work on people who already stated they'd close every single one of their stores Lurks Often Jul 2014 #24

It does if they are forced to close n2doc Jul 2014 #27

Uh huh, only neither you or I risk losing our jobs Lurks Often Jul 2014 #30

So just WTF are we supposed to do, then? Passively stand by and let them get away with this shit? nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #103

You can go prop up Hobby Lobby with your own money if you'd like. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #145

Hobby Lobby did this Demsrule86 Jul 2014 #154

Good point. Put the blame in the proper place. riqster Jul 2014 #161

There's still demand for Hobby Lobby's products jeff47 Jul 2014 #171

It's amazing how certain people of that Lurks Often Jul 2014 #172

Why wouldn't it be true? jeff47 Jul 2014 #174

Sure it will. riqster Jul 2014 #29

Let's make their bluff.. sendero Jul 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author ReRe Jul 2014 #76

Unless these guys want to fund a losing proposition, it will. MADem Jul 2014 #130

the boycott is to influence other companies that may care. Demsrule86 Jul 2014 #152

By that reasoning, no boycott or action would ever be taken against any business. riqster Jul 2014 #12

Well I am sure you won't mind explaining that to people Lurks Often Jul 2014 #28

See post 18. riqster Jul 2014 #31

Nice of you to gamble with their futures like that Lurks Often Jul 2014 #32

And doing nothing benefits society how, exactly? riqster Jul 2014 #34

Like every other discussion board Lurks Often Jul 2014 #37

There are always reasons to do nothing. riqster Jul 2014 #39

Their female employees who... ReRe Jul 2014 #74

So what would you do to rectify this injustice? riqster Jul 2014 #84

Well... ReRe Jul 2014 #165

They do get contraceptive coverage Lurks Often Jul 2014 #90

Wrong. riqster Jul 2014 #95

Your reading comprehension sucks Lurks Often Jul 2014 #157

Might want to take off the blinders: riqster Jul 2014 #160

No blinders, just a dislike of people who Lurks Often Jul 2014 #169

Blinders I said; blinders I meant. riqster Jul 2014 #175

Wrong... Demsrule86 Jul 2014 #155

Your reading comprehension sucks Lurks Often Jul 2014 #158

You don't have to worry about the employees being thrown out of work. politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2014 #20

Hobby Lobby Duval Jul 2014 #49

Follow the money. Always. Especially where someone wears the cross or flag on their sleeve. SomeGuyInEagan Jul 2014 #65

So in other words, you want to let Hobby Lobby avebury Jul 2014 #57

They do get contraceptive coverage Lurks Often Jul 2014 #89

You must have missed the clarification issued by the Supreme Court today. avebury Jul 2014 #91

I am aware of the clarification Lurks Often Jul 2014 #93

And the ones they don't cover just happen to be some of the most common and most effective... n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #104

This reason to do nothing gets tiresome. we can do it Jul 2014 #96

A-men. When the hell did Team Apathy get a cheering section? riqster Jul 2014 #108

They can work for the competition. They'll be unemployed soon enough when MADem Jul 2014 #127

I've wondered about this line of argument as well. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #136

We have no choice Demsrule86 Jul 2014 #149

Yep. riqster Jul 2014 #162

i blame the court. anyone can ask for any crazy thing. the court is supposed to disseminate between.. spanone Jul 2014 #3

I'v been boycotting them for years... abakan Jul 2014 #6

One opened in West Haven last year. Dawson Leery Jul 2014 #7

And remember as picketers you don't have to worry about 35 foot buffer zones either. politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2014 #9

If your are refering to the SC decision that is not what they said. former9thward Jul 2014 #17

Quite correct. My spouse is planning a picket, and is researching just that question. riqster Jul 2014 #36

If your wife is willing to be arrested on a petty misdameanor she may want to consider former9thward Jul 2014 #38

Oh, she is willing to get busted, no question there. riqster Jul 2014 #45

Why a boycott is useless KinMd Jul 2014 #86

There's that.... former9thward Jul 2014 #87

Boycotts are useful to help raise awareness. Activism 101. riqster Jul 2014 #97

Just do the protest on Sunday, no one will object happyslug Jul 2014 #60

No, that is only for a few places the SC doesn't like. riqster Jul 2014 #21

Just exercise your own "religious beliefs" hayes Jul 2014 #125

I like it. riqster Jul 2014 #141

Haven't the poor workers already been punished enough? Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #176

Sue them for what? former9thward Jul 2014 #10

Yeah. 'Cause that's worked so well....... WillowTree Jul 2014 #11

Granted. But we can't count on the courts or legislatures, riqster Jul 2014 #14

I think DU may overestimate the affect NM_Birder Jul 2014 #41

Still, I don't see how a boycott could hurt the cause. WillowTree Jul 2014 #46

Trying to remember... didn't chik fil a back down Ilsa Jul 2014 #66

Kinda sorta. riqster Jul 2014 #71

It absolutely has BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #105

Points. riqster Jul 2014 #109

Fairly surprised to read all the people decrying protest BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #110

Yah hey, thanks. Lots of Dems seem to be into ennui. riqster Jul 2014 #111

Demand for their products would be met by other retailers Zambero Jul 2014 #13

Just so. riqster Jul 2014 #15

You know, if JoAnn's and Michaels were willing to take a risk... louis-t Jul 2014 #19

They will be more likely to do so if HL's numbers take a hit. riqster Jul 2014 #22

That was practically my first reaction to this horrendous SC decision. Raksha Jul 2014 #167

only if theor current capacity Niceguy1 Jul 2014 #143

I expect they have people looking into that now. riqster Jul 2014 #151

I agree! get the red out Jul 2014 #33

Bingo. Pocketbook injuries get their attention. riqster Jul 2014 #35

Are you serious, or is this performance art ? NM_Birder Jul 2014 #40

You do know that the majority of their customer base is women? BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #106

people who don't shop at a store, NM_Birder Jul 2014 #123

''That is pretty much all we can do.'' DeSwiss Jul 2014 #42

The Hobby Lobby Burqa, so stylin'! blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #43

Indeed, your wardrobe can be born again! riqster Jul 2014 #48

Oh Really? ktayloraz Jul 2014 #44

I have replied to that point already on this thread. riqster Jul 2014 #47

This ridiculous "point".... sendero Jul 2014 #55

I notice that they did not offer an alternative. riqster Jul 2014 #132

Here are a couple, since you asked so nicely ktayloraz Jul 2014 #164

Good ideas. Thanks for offering them. riqster Jul 2014 #166

Wow....what clueless alternatives. jeff47 Jul 2014 #173

Build it and they will come. MattBaggins Jul 2014 #115

this is a strike against women passiveporcupine Jul 2014 #50

I'd love to put these dirtbags out of business... BUT... Takket Jul 2014 #51

The businesses and their enablers are a sort of malignant symbiosis. riqster Jul 2014 #52

I wonder what it would take to unionize their employees? drm604 Jul 2014 #53

Since the Supremes also weakened unions yesterday, it might be harder to do. riqster Jul 2014 #56

That ruling was about public sector unions. drm604 Jul 2014 #61

In isolation, no. But considering the private-sector cases in the SC Pipeline, it is concerning. riqster Jul 2014 #63

I no longer shop at Hobby Lobby SheilaT Jul 2014 #58

One person always helps. One vote, one penny, one act of principle counts. riqster Jul 2014 #62

I don't shop at Hobby Lobby, Walmart, Home Depot underthematrix Jul 2014 #64

I have never shopped at Hobby Lobby even though there is a store RebelOne Jul 2014 #80

I have probably spent over $25,000 at Hobby Lobby in the years sinkingfeeling Jul 2014 #67

Good on you. riqster Jul 2014 #69

I have never set foot in a Hobby Lobby, City Lights Jul 2014 #70

Nor I. The key is to get current HL shoppers on board. riqster Jul 2014 #72

robed barbarians kardonb Jul 2014 #73

My hometown doesn't have a Hobby Lobby, so boycotting is easy. muntrv Jul 2014 #77

Me too Freddie Jul 2014 #81

I'm doing my part. Never will buy from them & encourage others to shun them. southerncrone Jul 2014 #78

I'll never there again. Ilsa Jul 2014 #79

How about we urge the Open Carry crowd to frequent and protect Hobby Lobby. Shrike47 Jul 2014 #82

I say we "condom" the place Generic Other Jul 2014 #83

Here's another thought: a use for all the yarn people bought at Hobby Lobby: riqster Jul 2014 #98

LOL azmom Jul 2014 #163

Can't one just feel the love of Jesus oozing from the pores of the Hobby-Lobbyites? indepat Jul 2014 #85

The masses don't see the injustice from our same viewfinder. maced666 Jul 2014 #88

Thanks for highlighting that about Obamacare, riqster! Cha Jul 2014 #92

Oh, I know, he's such a third-way corporate whore.... riqster Jul 2014 #99

"3rd way 3rd way 3rd way 3rd way.. Cha Jul 2014 #100

I've wondered who shops there. I've been in a couple and they were empty. The store was huge, maybe RKP5637 Jul 2014 #101

Never been in one. riqster Jul 2014 #102

Never shopped at Hobby Lobby and I never will. Same goes for Wal-Mart. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #107

Hold on...there were actually Romneybots?! Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #112

Actually, the people supporting Mittens seemed robotic to me. riqster Jul 2014 #118

Oh I think there is A LOT women can do if they TBF Jul 2014 #114

Indeed. Any man can find himself in the same position. riqster Jul 2014 #119

Exactly. nt TBF Jul 2014 #122

According to Wikipedia... 3catwoman3 Jul 2014 #120

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #124

Thanks. riqster Jul 2014 #128

Why not? JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #129

I recently went to Hobby Lobby in Lafayette, Indiana with my wife. I was aghast at the high B Calm Jul 2014 #137

This is being shipped to me today: Hepburn Jul 2014 #142

Link? PADemD Jul 2014 #144

What you said. nt riqster Jul 2014 #148

http://www.makestickers.com/ B Calm Jul 2014 #156

Thanks! PADemD Jul 2014 #170

Time to bury Hobby Lobbby Demsrule86 Jul 2014 #146

^^^THIS^^^ riqster Jul 2014 #159