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bvar22

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47. Never did I EVER expect to ever have to say...

Wed Apr 4, 2012, 08:17 PM

Apr 2012

...that LBJ was the most Liberal President of the last 1/2 century!

...but his WAR record is a diversion from the content of my post,
which was that he would have NEVER supported a Mandate to purchase Health Insurance from For Profit Corporations.
Medicare was the exact opposite.

gawddamm!!! I miss THAT Democratic Party!

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If ACA mandates are upheld, we won't get Medicare-for-All and better health care for a generation. [View all] Better Believe It Mar 2012 OP

Medicare for all isn't going to happen.... ingac70 Mar 2012 #1

It can't happen if the insurance industry gets a total lock on the healthcare system. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #2

Bro, most of these justices help elect Bush. U can't be serious. FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #18

Bush wasn't elected President, he was appointed by the judges. And not one persona is added .... Better Believe It Mar 2012 #24

You are again saying the exact opposite of the truth. TheWraith Apr 2012 #28

The thing that cooks my goose. bluestate10 Apr 2012 #107

You think the Supreme Court would allow Medicare for all? Firebrand Gary Mar 2012 #3

Of course. Because the argument is about buying "private insurance" not public via taxes. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #6

If you believe this court DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #7

the SCOTUS could do nothing about Medicare for all. cali Mar 2012 #14

And as the Supremes indicated themselves in oral arguments this past week kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #16

The supreme court would have no say in Medicare for all. NCTraveler Apr 2012 #59

why wouldn't they? paulk Apr 2012 #103

do you have health insurance or coverage right now? CreekDog Mar 2012 #4

We're not going to get it anyway. Maybe one state at a time. that's the only possibility. robinlynne Mar 2012 #5

It will become far more difficult than it already is because a nationally institutionalized Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #8

You made the point better than I did. Thank you. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #9

You really need to read the other parts of the ACA. jeff47 Apr 2012 #60

Those two can easily be overcome by the for profit "health" insurance industry. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #80

That's not what I said. jeff47 Apr 2012 #84

I didn't lie about you, I was just literally asking you a question. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #86

That is a rather bold prediction Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #10

Since you aren't going to answer my question, then when can preexisting conditions get coverage? CreekDog Mar 2012 #11

There was a local couple who had reached their lifetime limit. blue neen Apr 2012 #39

If ACA/mandate IS NOT upheld we won't get Medicare for All for a generation. Either way librechik Mar 2012 #12

you can't possibly be this naive. cali Mar 2012 #13

Have you read the OP's threads for the past 3 years? scheming daemons Mar 2012 #17

Do you plan to continue with your constant personal attacks/smears against DU'ers you disagree with? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #21

do you plan to continue your constant attacks/smears of the President? scheming daemons Apr 2012 #25

I and other DU'ers have not engaged in personal attacks or smears against President Obama. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #26

You are, and have been, helping the GOP scheming daemons Apr 2012 #31

That is just wrong. No fucking way in hell will Autumn Apr 2012 #33

He will not likely succeed much... but it isn't for lack of tryimg scheming daemons Apr 2012 #34

Is this one a post you object to? Did BBI try hard enough here? Autumn Apr 2012 #40

There's something really interesting about that video. blue neen Apr 2012 #46

I saw no images of Obama other than the one on the Autumn Apr 2012 #48

Like Bush, they'll just deny the truth fascisthunter Apr 2012 #96

The OP definitely does not speak for all progressives. blue neen Apr 2012 #36

if you are deluded, yes fascisthunter Apr 2012 #95

This. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #88

nope... that's a straight up lie fascisthunter Apr 2012 #94

"I... have not engaged in personal attacks or smears against President Obama" dionysus Apr 2012 #55

Whenever you are accused of attacking the Democrats, you attempt to deflect the criticism by FSogol Apr 2012 #65

that depends on how you define "attack", doesn't it? paulk Apr 2012 #104

The statements made are true. bluestate10 Apr 2012 #109

Anti-Obama? The mandate was originally a HERITAGE FOUNDATION idea. Zalatix Apr 2012 #27

Their "mandate" was a tax credit, Obama's is a fine. joshcryer Apr 2012 #67

So.. Obama's plan is even more fascist than the Heritage Foundation plan. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #69

If you don't pay your taxes under single payer you'd get a fine. joshcryer Apr 2012 #71

Don't confuse me with logic or facts emulatorloo Apr 2012 #83

You could get jail time with single payer if you didn't pay your taxes. joshcryer Apr 2012 #92

"Nothing but non-stop anti-Obama posts" bvar22 Apr 2012 #41

Unfortunately, LBJ did force Americans to tithe For Profit Corporations: blue neen Apr 2012 #43

Never did I EVER expect to ever have to say... bvar22 Apr 2012 #47

I wasn't speaking of his war "record", either. The reference was to how he paid for it, blue neen Apr 2012 #49

"Nothing but non-stop anti-Obama posts."... SidDithers Apr 2012 #42

So you place your trust in the health insurance industry parasites that don't give a shit about you? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #56

You don't supply anywhere else to place our trust. jeff47 Apr 2012 #64

Bernie first has to get President Obama's support for Medicare for All before he can get Better Believe It Apr 2012 #99

59 other Senators jeff47 Apr 2012 #122

Could not disagree more. cbayer Mar 2012 #15

How will an insurance company lock on our medical system promote a single payer system? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #23

Because the mandate isn't the only part of the ACA. jeff47 Apr 2012 #38

You've got it. Robb Apr 2012 #51

It's the heart and soul of the "Health Insurance Industry and Big Pharma Protection Act" Better Believe It Apr 2012 #54

A mandate, either through the ACA or a single-payer system, is necessary jeff47 Apr 2012 #58

People not paying for health care is a $600 tax on people who do. joshcryer Apr 2012 #70

So a single payer system has something to do with "Marxist dialectical materialism"???!!! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #89

Not what I was saying. joshcryer Apr 2012 #91

Did a Marxist tell you that's what dialectical materialism is? Probably not. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #114

How does that disagree with what I said? Systemic decay an outcome. joshcryer Apr 2012 #116

Anyone cheering for the repeal of ACA is willing to throw millions of Americans under the bus... SidDithers Mar 2012 #19

Vermont i think is an excellent example of how Single payer can grow from ACA Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2012 #30

I agree. That's the road to single payer in the US... SidDithers Apr 2012 #52

If ACA goes down, Vermont's plan is finished. bluestate10 Apr 2012 #111

which is what i tried to point out Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2012 #127

Is that how Canada did it Sid? How long did it take your country to get Autumn Apr 2012 #97

Between 30 and 40 years... SidDithers Apr 2012 #100

Makes me wish I was a lot younger Autumn Apr 2012 #102

Health Care in Canada is administered provincially... SidDithers Apr 2012 #105

Too bad our government can't learn from yours. Autumn Apr 2012 #106

I may not have been clear enough... SidDithers Apr 2012 #108

I like your system. It sounds like it works, ours here Autumn Apr 2012 #110

ACA was literally written by the Insurance Cartel's lobbyists sitting in the Finance Committee kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #20

So if the insurance cartel loves it, why are they trying to get it declared unconstitutional? emulatorloo Apr 2012 #37

+1, there's a reason the Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, and the dispicible ALEC don't want it. joshcryer Apr 2012 #68

Wow do you make shit up all the time? kenny blankenship Apr 2012 #72

Don't be so aggressive towards DU members. The endgame is striking down or repealing "Obamacare." emulatorloo Apr 2012 #82

This is why Democrats lose. We've seen this played out time and again, in state after state, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #73

You should probably read the law you're complaining about jeff47 Apr 2012 #74

Ah yes, of course. I was born last night and when that turnip truck I was in hit a pothole Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #76

Ah yes, "Bored" yet can't actually come up with a response. jeff47 Apr 2012 #79

Of course I can, I'm just not going to waste my time w/you. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #93

Alright, enjoy fighting for the pre-ACA status-quo! jeff47 Apr 2012 #123

+10000 - And carried out as a slick bipartisan scam. woo me with science Apr 2012 #124

And if it fails, the next generation will have worse than we have now. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #22

We're no more likely to get it if it fails. mmonk Apr 2012 #29

Single-payer would be better than ACA / ObamaCare JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2012 #32

Up is down. joshcryer Apr 2012 #35

Black is White, bvar22 Apr 2012 #45

Obama bad. Must stop. All costs. DevonRex Apr 2012 #44

Take heart. Election season at DU will soon officially begin... SidDithers Apr 2012 #50

LOL! And if the Admins don't ban BBI does that mean election season 2012 never began? Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #57

BBI will need to be more responsible about his sources. And stop misrepresenting by omission emulatorloo Apr 2012 #85

+1 n/t FSogol Apr 2012 #61

and we'll get just that from republicans, if they win. keep trying. dionysus Apr 2012 #53

RomneyCare is more popular. NCTraveler Apr 2012 #62

Bullshit. bluestate10 Apr 2012 #112

The only way out is to let the cartel suicide, not to feed them customers nor to give them a key to TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #63

Your alternative is........? jeff47 Apr 2012 #66

I already said the option is to let it crash sooner rather than later. TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #75

Ok, now maybe you should read my post jeff47 Apr 2012 #78

Bribing Congress doesn't create more total resources in the system. TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #125

Math. It's your friend. jeff47 Apr 2012 #128

With modern technology, americans can start insuring each other. bluestate10 Apr 2012 #113

interesting idea bigapple Apr 2012 #115

If you didn't have insurance to hate on treestar Apr 2012 #77

Perhaps you didn't notice that the insurance companies and big pharma support the insurance bill. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #98

I've seen that meme that they "wrote it" treestar Apr 2012 #126

And if the mandate is knocked down WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #81

What makes you believe that we'd get single-payer if ACA dies? MineralMan Apr 2012 #87

I agree with you exactly. bluestate10 Apr 2012 #118

If the ACA is struck down, there won't be reform for a generation. AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #90

it truly is herp derp worthy, is't it? dionysus Apr 2012 #119

If ACA goes down. bluestate10 Apr 2012 #120

You identified the culprit. I have always said that we are never going to get Cleita Apr 2012 #101

If its over turned, it will take 3 or more generations. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #117

Try 100 years, Joe. bluestate10 Apr 2012 #121