If ACA mandates are upheld, we won't get Medicare-for-All and better health care for a generation.

[TheKentuckian]

63. The only way out is to let the cartel suicide, not to feed them customers nor to give them a key to

the Treasury (or the more accurately, the nation's credit card).

The pure fantasy that we will elect a non owned Congress that will produce sound reform, even market based reform or that a law originated by Heritage and literally written by lobbyists will morph into Single Payer are both way past Pollyanna bullshit.

Our option is huge short term pain as this "system" collapses as is it's only natural path or being enslaved by the cartel until it eats up so large a percentage of the economy that it functionally breaks the bank and grinds us all into dust which will result in orders of magnitude more pain when the music stops and a busted nation and people are forced to move along but in a time of resource scarcity that makes today look like a golden age.

Defenders of this trash are bright eyed optimists, paid or unpaid spinners for the cartel and Pharma, limited in holistic vision, or cowards punting a bomb that grows more explosive by the moment a generation or two down the line so they don't have to endure the downside and the devil can take the grandkids, or some mixes.

No, they can't guilt me because this is the path of greater pain both by propping up the predatory cartel and allowing them to milk us dry and because when the collapse comes, it will be a far greater disaster than letting the thing run its course.
They depend on best conceivable outcomes rather than most likely ones to push this Reich Wing, corporate bullshit and to live with themselves.

They are also pretty goofy in their position that there will be no effort on this front for protracted periods of time, which literally isn't possible when one considers the rate of medical inflation alone. The economy cannot bear the growth for a generation. Plug in the numbers, it is optimistic that the system can continue without mandated customers and large and continuous infusions of cash from the government. Without the Wealthcare and Profit Protection Act the cartel is dead in the water and the US deficit balloons out of control in short order.

What percentage of the economy do you folks really think healthcare can be? At the present rates, how long do we have according to your math? There is no perpetual motion machine, resource limits apply to all systems.

Look at the demographics, how many years before the people capable of supporting the system are out of it and what kind of subscriber base is available to the cartel. How many years are they going to have the numbers as the boomers retire/are forced out?

Maybe most importantly, when we look at the wealth disparity that keeps growing, the high unemployment, and critically flat lining and falling wages. How long before most people are forced to drop the ever shittier coverage because incomes can't begin to keep pace with high premiums no matter how many "cost sharing" tricks they throw out?

Neither the government nor the cartel nor other industries can maintain the charade for a single generation.

You don't have to take it from me or any other posters, the CBO has projections for what would happen without doing anything and they were the most used argument for why "reform" was so critical, the moral issues were backburner.

The house of cards is falling, the Wealthcare and Profit Protection Act is to prop it up not to "fix" it or to end it.