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joshcryer

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50. It's certainly not a party platform plank.

Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:47 AM

Jul 2014

But many Democrats are divided on the issue.

Some Democrats think the way tenure is set up doesn't help students as it disproportionately puts ineffective tenured teachers in impoverished schools. The judge ruled against CA's tenure approach due to several studies to those ends. Whether those studies are correct, I don't know, I can't find a rebuttal to them.

The poll in question (page 12): http://www.edpolicyinca.org/sites/default/files/Crosstabs_-PACE-cres.pdf

If 53% of Democrats are against Tenure and another 61% of Democrats are against Last in First Out, how does the Democratic Party respond to that? They must address it in some way. Some like Aren Duncan just jump up and down for joy because that's how they want to see things move forward. Others like Jerry Brown lamented the decision.

The Democratic Party doesn't have the advantage of pandering to a small subset of ideologies, it's gotta be big tent.

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Why is it the *GREEN* Party Understands Ed Issues and the DEM Party Does Not? [View all] Smarmie Doofus Jul 2014 OP

Bingo! HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #1

The Green Party accepts NO corporate donations. roody Jul 2014 #2

They're "reforming" education in the same way that Enron "reformed" energy sales. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #3

and Enron eventually became the company that couldn't explain what good or service it actually yurbud Jul 2014 #17

Brian Jones is a Marxist. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #4

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Follow the Money. The DEMS are PAID to "misunderstand." blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #5

+1000 BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #6

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I misread your post title as, "It's fuck Nader and the Greens weak". winter is coming Jul 2014 #44

Oh, they understand. Maedhros Jul 2014 #9

. rhett o rick Jul 2014 #11

Extraordinarily well-put. And yes, I agree. nt Smarmie Doofus Jul 2014 #41

The Democratic Party has broader appeal. joshcryer Jul 2014 #12

Which part of the Democratic Party thinks teacher tenure is a bad thing, and why? n/t winter is coming Jul 2014 #45

It's certainly not a party platform plank. joshcryer Jul 2014 #50

The "Arne Duncan part." Which would seem to be co-extensive with the "Barrack Obama part." Here: Smarmie Doofus Jul 2014 #52

Or "53% of CA Democrats." joshcryer Jul 2014 #55

The Green Party isn't paid not to understand. nt truebluegreen Jul 2014 #13

third-party voters vote for the party's program: the mainstream parties are voted for the party MisterP Jul 2014 #14

thanks to person who sent ALERT on this! yurbud Jul 2014 #15

What was the alert text? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #27

yep. yurbud Jul 2014 #33

How can I get a look at that? n/t Smarmie Doofus Jul 2014 #42

like this: yurbud Jul 2014 #49

Thanks. That's an odd alert given.... Smarmie Doofus Jul 2014 #59

They don't. You simply agree with them. jazzimov Jul 2014 #16

sometimes teachers aren't replaced because there aren't better ones waiting yurbud Jul 2014 #18

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If they can't get into the system how do you know they're better teachers? winter is coming Jul 2014 #47

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unfortunately, those attacking tenure don't really give a rat's ass about quality yurbud Jul 2014 #51

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most of the time, it rests entirely on the principal until he determines someone is a bad egg yurbud Jul 2014 #66

Exactly. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #20

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Well said! LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #56

How do we define poor performance? winter is coming Jul 2014 #48

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Why not remedial training? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #28

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You're onto something HUGE here: Smarmie Doofus Jul 2014 #46

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Well.... lots of districts have plenty of cash. Smarmie Doofus Jul 2014 #61

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We've all had teachers we did not like betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #30

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You observe them. roody Jul 2014 #37

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It's called a rubric in eduspeak. roody Jul 2014 #39

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Thanks for your inciteful commentary on Education policy. JEB Jul 2014 #60

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Dems promise use some crumbs and deliver fewer yurbud Jul 2014 #65