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28. What a real and totally assured peace would take is for

Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:43 PM

Jul 2014

there to be various associations of moderates. But by 1999 or so, over 18 separate moderate groups in Israel had been done in violently - either by Hamas or by the other side, hard to say.

Pretty much what is happening world wide - as you watch the centrists (ie third way Dems) and the far right wing fight it out here.

We know from what happened between the hutu and the tutsi tribes in Rwanda, that people who should be helpful to each together will fight none the less. The more extreme members of either side of a conflict - the fact that only the extremists can exist mean that the way that is needed for a sustainable future, for a sensible future, is eliminated when there is little hope of real progressive voices making a stand against extremists of both sides.

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Oh that sixteen year old Palestinian boy was burned alive [View all] malaise Jul 2014 OP

Settlers. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #1

First story I saw on TV news when I turned on the set today aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #2

And now the Palestinians will go after some more Israeli's yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #3

What a real and totally assured peace would take is for truedelphi Jul 2014 #28

The israeli settlers are religious fanatics: DetlefK Jul 2014 #40

Both sides have them Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #47

As an aside, the Hutu and Tutsi have been going at it at least 1500 years. AngryAmish Jul 2014 #60

heh. heh. truedelphi Jul 2014 #100

The two Bush clowns and Cheney = War Criminals warrant46 Jul 2014 #103

you gotta admit the Bantu migration is one of the big events in human history AngryAmish Jul 2014 #105

And the Hutu and Tutsi are both Bantu Scootaloo Jul 2014 #114

Tutsi probably differ genetically from Hutu AngryAmish Jul 2014 #124

You could likely get the same result by examining two groups of Tutsis, or Hutus Scootaloo Jul 2014 #131

Thanks for shedding some light on the situation. truedelphi Jul 2014 #133

There is no objective analysis of Rwanda without a malaise Jul 2014 #127

Leopold Who? would be most people's rsponses. truedelphi Jul 2014 #135

Leopold was a monster malaise Jul 2014 #136

Not just the CIA malaise Jul 2014 #125

That is very true. truedelphi Jul 2014 #134

I don't know what it is going to take. AlbertCat Jul 2014 #29

The best remedy yet n/t cactusfractal Jul 2014 #34

Not sure about it being the remedy defacto7 Jul 2014 #52

We could start-- yellowwoodII Jul 2014 #58

And a few hundred generations... User_Friendly Jul 2014 #81

Why not!!!! onecent Jul 2014 #82

many Jews and Gays were treated Badly under the Soviet Union JI7 Jul 2014 #96

The Soviet Union had a god, his name was Josef Stalin Scootaloo Jul 2014 #99

ethnicity, nationality also contribute to things like this JI7 Jul 2014 #118

ethnicity, nationality AlbertCat Jul 2014 #130

The atheistic regimes of Stalin and Mao were notably peaceful gratuitous Jul 2014 #123

atheistic regimes of Stalin and Mao AlbertCat Jul 2014 #129

Ah, I see gratuitous Jul 2014 #138

Not true Scotsmen, then. AlbertCat Jul 2014 #139

Search me gratuitous Jul 2014 #140

lumping all people of faith together. AlbertCat Jul 2014 #141

But the payback won't be equal yellowwoodII Jul 2014 #51

And so many of those war materials were recently provided, at a time truedelphi Jul 2014 #137

bad enough Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #4

It's not rumor alsame Jul 2014 #7

I know that is very true Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #10

That was on the news n/t malaise Jul 2014 #12

link please Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #13

Why is it so hard for you to believe liberalhistorian Jul 2014 #18

And you would be wrong Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #19

The autopsy shows it's NOT a "rumor". "Posting non-facts" ... WTF? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2014 #20

they found gasoline in his stomach? Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #21

Really? You object to whether or not he had gas in his stomach as he was set on fire? jeff47 Jul 2014 #22

I object at posting rumors Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Jul 2014 #35

I have, Mohammed Abu Khdeir was burned alive Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Jul 2014 #37

Gosh, that makes all the difference, doesn't it? hatrack Jul 2014 #71

As I have said that all along Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #75

or when the Israeli boys were murdered Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #38

Simon Everitt, 17 ????? Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #41

You are right. I grabbed the wrong link. Deleting. Sorry, I made a mistake. Ed Suspicious Jul 2014 #45

We all do it Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #46

I don't know the source, but here is a link. Ed Suspicious Jul 2014 #50

thanks for the link Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #54

It's not about you. H2O Man Jul 2014 #42

who said it was? Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #43

Read you contributions H2O Man Jul 2014 #53

Thank you Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #61

I am female and I did not embellish anything malaise Jul 2014 #65

If I called you a male Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #67

I condemn all murder malaise Jul 2014 #68

That is good Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #77

OMG..our media IS NOT RELIABLE... onecent Jul 2014 #83

Your response should have been "sorry, I didn't realize it was news" LittleBlue Jul 2014 #25

wrong about what? Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #26

Its news, I agree. Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Jul 2014 #39

Barbaric behavior. It's shameful what the Palestinians have to deal with. President Carter is quinnox Jul 2014 #5

+1,000 malaise Jul 2014 #6

Agreed. nt abelenkpe Jul 2014 #14

This is why I despise both sides in this mess Warpy Jul 2014 #8

agreed Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #11

there you go again criticing the family values of the religion crowd. :-) nt msongs Jul 2014 #15

Living in conflict over land seems to do that to people. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #16

+ 1 nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #23

... MoonRiver Jul 2014 #9

There will never peace in the Middle East Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #30

Or until all sides jettison the Psychopathic Sky-God bullshit, whatever the flavor . . . hatrack Jul 2014 #74

Sorry to say Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #78

That would certainly help. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #92

"Will that region ever see peace"? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #44

Excellent post malaise Jul 2014 #55

+2 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #112

Humans are less than animals tabasco Jul 2014 #17

We probably will go extinct at some point and then the earth can begin to heal. totodeinhere Jul 2014 #31

Not all of us are depraved malaise Jul 2014 #64

Ya know what they say MattBaggins Jul 2014 #142

I've never heard "them" say that. tabasco Jul 2014 #143

Did you also start an OP about the three Israeli teenagers who were abducted and brutally totodeinhere Jul 2014 #32

somehow I doubt it nt Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #49

Plenty of others did. Were you away from DU? Try the search function. n/t Scootaloo Jul 2014 #59

I was asking the OP if he or she started an OP about the dead Israelis. I am aware that totodeinhere Jul 2014 #87

Did you demand those threads talk about the two Palestinian kids killed at Beitunia? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #93

You asked me a question and then before I could answer you answered it for me. totodeinhere Jul 2014 #95

Your only participation on this thread is to wag your finger at the OP Scootaloo Jul 2014 #98

You nailed him! BillZBubb Jul 2014 #104

Why are you bringing up yet a different case? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #106

To illustrate the point for the benefit of totodeinhere Scootaloo Jul 2014 #107

Very well said malaise Jul 2014 #120

Because it somehow makes his horrible death ever-so-slightly less horrible? nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #63

I think you are correct Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #66

a person? reddread Jul 2014 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #111

I certainly did reddread Jul 2014 #115

Do we have autopsy results on their horrific murders? malaise Jul 2014 #69

The bodies were found but I don't know if there was an autopsy or not. But are you totodeinhere Jul 2014 #85

I started an OP based on the release of an autopsy malaise Jul 2014 #88

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind! tonybgood Jul 2014 #33

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2014 #48

Thanks for your responses malaise Jul 2014 #128

Jeez. AngryAmish Jul 2014 #56

Yet, we humans like to tell ourselves that we're the pinnacle of the evolutionary scale. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #57

Has anyone thought about the possibility defacto7 Jul 2014 #62

Truth will out malaise Jul 2014 #73

jeebus....fucking sick people. spanone Jul 2014 #70

Yesterday morning I caught a video clip of Netanyahou Skidmore Jul 2014 #72

What scares me is that one side doesn't need evidence malaise Jul 2014 #76

It scares me that we have equally zealot Skidmore Jul 2014 #79

I was thinking about that malaise Jul 2014 #84

so is firing rockets and morters at civilians Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #80

Unfortunately collective retribution is par for the course in war. That has always been totodeinhere Jul 2014 #89

I just don't understand how people can be so cruel. :( Little Star Jul 2014 #86

By convincing themselves that "the enemy" is even crueller. WatermelonRat Jul 2014 #90

if that were my son i would have vengence dembotoz Jul 2014 #91

those who take vengeance often have no relation to victims, i think they use it as an excuse JI7 Jul 2014 #94

Barbarism. Rex Jul 2014 #97

A lot more here including this malaise Jul 2014 #119

Humans are cruel. I hate my species. MoonRiver Jul 2014 #101

Isn't that the truth malaise Jul 2014 #102

And I try, but basically feel hopeless, to effect a difference in the outcome. MoonRiver Jul 2014 #108

The only thing that gives me hope is the possibility Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #109

Being drunk on religion JEB Jul 2014 #116

The Israelis will find the people that applegrove Jul 2014 #117

Oh please. and how about the Israeli cops beating the shit out of an American child cali Jul 2014 #121

Well for a pleasant change the State Department has actually condemned malaise Jul 2014 #122

I didn't say they were saints. But they do have a working democracy. applegrove Jul 2014 #132

Oh Lord, this makes me sick. This needs to stop. Shrike47 Jul 2014 #126