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In reply to the discussion: What the fuck is with the pro-cop rah-rah posts? [View all]tblue37
(68,444 posts)94. In one of those threads I posted a comment that I think
is relevant to the entire issue of brutality and lawlessness in the US police culture. That comment might be of interest to those who click on this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5199367
Many cops do heroic things. But even those who do such things typically participate in the police culture that allows and covers up for police brutality and lawlessness. Even if a cop does nothing brutal or lawless himself, as long as he helps cover up for those who do, or remains silent while watching others do so, he is participating in that lawlessness and brutality.
I actually understand why some otherwise fine police officers remain complicit by silence--or even by active participation in coverups. I once tutored a student in a sociology class that studied such things. Some of the cops interviewed for one article said they had to behave brutality when questioning or apprehending suspects because if they didn't, they would never earn the respect of their fellow police officers. Female and minority police officers especially admitted to behaving with unnecessary brutality in oder to "prove" themselves worthy to their fellow officers.
And several interviewees said that if they in any way rocked the boat about a coverup of another officer's illegal behaviors, they would be left hanging in dangerous situations in a way that could get them killed--and some actually admitted that they feared begin taken out by their fellow officers if they broke ranks about such things.
Thus the culture in many police department, and in US policing generally, doesn't just encourage good cops to participate in coverups or to remain silent about them--it actually forces them to do so, by threatening their livelihoods and even their lives if they do not. No matter how idealistic a person might be when he or she joins the force, he or she will be influenced and coerced by a sufficiently corrupt system.
Furthermore, even a brutal, lawless cop can be capable of heroic actions. In the movie Crash, the racist cop played by Matt Dillon outrageously abuses an affluent professional Black couple during an unjustified (DWB) traffic stop early in the film--and he even sexually molests the wife during an unjustified pat-down--but then later in the film he risks his own life to save the same woman when she is involved in a horrific traffic accident.
In real life people are seldom purely evil or purely good. The problem with our country's police culture is a problem of the culture itself and of its systematic disregard for the law and for the rights of citizens. Even cops with an inherent tendency toward bad behavior could be screened out if the departments cared to screen for such tendencies, and they could be kept in check if those in power considered it truly important to reign them in.
But since TPTB want a police force that has the equipment and the mindset necessary to keep a restive population under control while they loot the economy, I doubt that we will see much change in the way the police in general operate, even though there is no doubt that some police officers mean well and are often downright heroic--and that even some cops who are generally brutal and corrupt probably sometimes (or even often) do good things and brave things as well.
I actually understand why some otherwise fine police officers remain complicit by silence--or even by active participation in coverups. I once tutored a student in a sociology class that studied such things. Some of the cops interviewed for one article said they had to behave brutality when questioning or apprehending suspects because if they didn't, they would never earn the respect of their fellow police officers. Female and minority police officers especially admitted to behaving with unnecessary brutality in oder to "prove" themselves worthy to their fellow officers.
And several interviewees said that if they in any way rocked the boat about a coverup of another officer's illegal behaviors, they would be left hanging in dangerous situations in a way that could get them killed--and some actually admitted that they feared begin taken out by their fellow officers if they broke ranks about such things.
Thus the culture in many police department, and in US policing generally, doesn't just encourage good cops to participate in coverups or to remain silent about them--it actually forces them to do so, by threatening their livelihoods and even their lives if they do not. No matter how idealistic a person might be when he or she joins the force, he or she will be influenced and coerced by a sufficiently corrupt system.
Furthermore, even a brutal, lawless cop can be capable of heroic actions. In the movie Crash, the racist cop played by Matt Dillon outrageously abuses an affluent professional Black couple during an unjustified (DWB) traffic stop early in the film--and he even sexually molests the wife during an unjustified pat-down--but then later in the film he risks his own life to save the same woman when she is involved in a horrific traffic accident.
In real life people are seldom purely evil or purely good. The problem with our country's police culture is a problem of the culture itself and of its systematic disregard for the law and for the rights of citizens. Even cops with an inherent tendency toward bad behavior could be screened out if the departments cared to screen for such tendencies, and they could be kept in check if those in power considered it truly important to reign them in.
But since TPTB want a police force that has the equipment and the mindset necessary to keep a restive population under control while they loot the economy, I doubt that we will see much change in the way the police in general operate, even though there is no doubt that some police officers mean well and are often downright heroic--and that even some cops who are generally brutal and corrupt probably sometimes (or even often) do good things and brave things as well.
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And teachers, fire fighters, street sweepers, nurses, doctors, healthcare workers, public defendents
itsrobert
Jul 2014
#58
Sometimes it's a lot harder than you can imagine, my bro had to watch a child raped on videos....
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#143
Uhhh, cops are not generally the first on scene of burning vehicles, buildings,
IronGate
Jul 2014
#101
It's not nearly the most dangerous occupation. Way more fishers die for your dinner than cops
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2014
#108
i'm sure it would be pefectly acceptable behavior for a roofer to beat the everloving shit..
frylock
Jul 2014
#116
I'm sure it is. But you don't even have to try very hard nowadays, to find a million stories
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#180
Pilots/Flight Egineers suffer more on the job fatalities than cops. About 70 per 100,000
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2014
#109
Police officer's salary in Tri-State area (PA, WV, & OH) a far cry from 100K per year
Petrushka
Jul 2014
#136
Then again, how "kindly" an officer treats you often depends on your race, gender, age, etc.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#170
I never said it was every single one of them. I'm sure plenty of them are decent folk
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#184
Just saying that if you were, for instance, darker-skinned, or non-gender-conforming
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#186
Woah SJ didnt you get the new training memo? We dont use tasers anymore because we might
Drew Richards
Jul 2014
#122
The issue is that when Bad Cops are found to have done something truly horrific,
Maedhros
Jul 2014
#39
just shows how severely police fail to regulate and police themselves and their fellows nt
msongs
Jul 2014
#13
Ok, but, in both cases, the higher ups do investigate both teachers and police,
merrily
Jul 2014
#100
Sure, but US law enforcement is routinely horrible and getting worse.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#159
I have zero tolerance for those "sovereign citizen" types who pick fights with police 24/7. Sorry.
conservaphobe
Jul 2014
#26
Sorry I thought you pulled photos from nyt article and forgot to mention it. My bad.
Drew Richards
Jul 2014
#153
I must have missed it. But anything is beter than the usual childish "fuck tha police" crowd
tritsofme
Jul 2014
#32
Sorry if this hurts the delicate sensibilities of the boot lickers.
ForgoTheConsequence
Jul 2014
#37
Yeah. Don't offend our delicate sensibilities with the reality of police violence.
Comrade Grumpy
Jul 2014
#81
It's great when a cop saves a woman from a speeding train and the like
aint_no_life_nowhere
Jul 2014
#59
I wonder how many of the pro authority types are upper middle class and white?
ForgoTheConsequence
Jul 2014
#91
And a lot of cops are on our side on the issue of guns becoming too easy to own
aint_no_life_nowhere
Jul 2014
#139
Of course we should post stories about their misbehavior -- and also on the occasion
pnwmom
Jul 2014
#141
"I think that since the Reagan era the majority have been Republicans."
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#175
Yes, goddammit! This is a liberal board so we should only hear one storyline!!!
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2014
#140
I've defended them in past, most, or at least half have good moral values and dedication...
MrMickeysMom
Jul 2014
#142