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pipi_k

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114. And there you have it...

Sat Jul 5, 2014, 03:39 PM

Jul 2014

a thoughtful and rational explanation for why brutality and coverups occur.

Which, for anyone who doesn't understand, is not an excuse. A reason is never an excuse, and there IS a difference.

I dare anybody who truly hates cops to go out and change the culture instead of pissing and moaning about it on a freaking message board.

They have all the answers? Good! They should get off their asses and do something about it.

What many of them don't realize is that their attitudes actually enable the isolation cops feel and makes them even more cynical. Why the hell should a cop who's out there every day risking his life/safety give a shit about some Joe Schmuck who's going to call him a PIG no matter what good he does? If the cop gets into some trouble with a suspect, is Joe Schmuck going to help him? No. One of his fellow cops will.

So who are you gonna be really loyal to? Joe Schmuck who hates your guts? Or the guy you see 8 to 12 hours a day, who's gonna have your back?

So hey, cop haters...hate on the bad cops all you want if that makes you feel better. But take notice that not all cops...and not all human beings...are either ALL good or ALL bad.

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What the fuck is with the pro-cop rah-rah posts? [View all] TransitJohn Jul 2014 OP

Precious stones from malaise Jul 2014 #1

.... TransitJohn Jul 2014 #3

LOL malaise Jul 2014 #5

Perspective Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #2

LOL TransitJohn Jul 2014 #4

Says the one who started this thread... Beaverhausen Jul 2014 #16

So lets cheer cops for doing what they are paid to do? Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #44

And teachers, fire fighters, street sweepers, nurses, doctors, healthcare workers, public defendents itsrobert Jul 2014 #58

Can't think of a good reason why not. After all they are paid for a risky job. MH1 Jul 2014 #96

Sometimes it's a lot harder than you can imagine, my bro had to watch a child raped on videos.... bettyellen Jul 2014 #143

Thanks Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #7

Posting an article = an agenda? Got it. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #11

Certainly Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #14

Posting cops' actions is an attack? TransitJohn Jul 2014 #24

Why are you pretending that there is not an anti-cop bias here? Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #28

There's an anti bad cop bias here. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #29

... Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #33

Here's the thing: Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #35

+1 Go Vols Jul 2014 #36

I disagree Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #42

LOL. TransitJohn Jul 2014 #49

lol your damn self Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #62

Uhhh, cops are not generally the first on scene of burning vehicles, buildings, IronGate Jul 2014 #101

and thank you for that frylock Jul 2014 #117

It's not nearly the most dangerous occupation. Way more fishers die for your dinner than cops Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #108

i'm sure it would be pefectly acceptable behavior for a roofer to beat the everloving shit.. frylock Jul 2014 #116

Why would a fisher die for my dinner? Jenoch Jul 2014 #157

Like the ones that tampered with evidence in my situation? therehegoes Jul 2014 #138

Well there is this Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2014 #144

What to commercial fishermen, loggers & farmers have in common? Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #154

"And I am the first to make sure they are stopped." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #167

Might not the opposite also be true? mythology Jul 2014 #179

I'm sure it is. But you don't even have to try very hard nowadays, to find a million stories nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #180

Agreed. Like congratulating your pilot for a successful landing. cpamomfromtexas Jul 2014 #99

I always thank the pilot when I leave the plane Beaverhausen Jul 2014 #103

You're a rare breed. Know they appreciate that cpamomfromtexas Jul 2014 #128

Pilots/Flight Egineers suffer more on the job fatalities than cops. About 70 per 100,000 Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #109

bless you. I know they appreciate it cpamomfromtexas Jul 2014 #127

I was on a plane one time ohheckyeah Jul 2014 #145

You don't think this pilot was congratulated for a successful landing? Jenoch Jul 2014 #158

very well stated frylock Jul 2014 #118

So you also agree that Jenoch Jul 2014 #156

Makes perfect sense AuntPatsy Jul 2014 #177

Reporting on real events = bias. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #34

of course you would Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #48

When a cop does his/her job it isn't news. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #55

It should be. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #57

They don't work for free. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #68

That's why they get paid like 2.5x what most people do. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #71

They are not paid enough H. Cromwell Jul 2014 #105

SW Ohio. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #107

Police officer's salary in Tri-State area (PA, WV, & OH) a far cry from 100K per year Petrushka Jul 2014 #136

Then there are some really weird outliers. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #146

Maybe the location you're referring to is the outlier? cyberswede Jul 2014 #147

don't you think female cops should be paid more than male cops? CreekDog Jul 2014 #187

Not in Florida they don't mcar Jul 2014 #115

You must have really weak police unions. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #119

I like your logic. cpamomfromtexas Jul 2014 #133

Rah-rah! Cops! TransitJohn Jul 2014 #83

Good cops who don't arrest bad cops avebury Jul 2014 #131

+1 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #169

Perfect response to the supposed angry tones on this thread AuntPatsy Jul 2014 #178

All kinds of people make the news for doing their jobs every day. Walk away Jul 2014 #82

And that's pipi_k Jul 2014 #92

Then again, how "kindly" an officer treats you often depends on your race, gender, age, etc. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #170

That right! Every single police officer in the country is a racist pig.... Walk away Jul 2014 #183

I never said it was every single one of them. I'm sure plenty of them are decent folk nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #184

Especially if you are a cop in your neighborhood I guess...nt Walk away Jul 2014 #185

Just saying that if you were, for instance, darker-skinned, or non-gender-conforming nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #186

+1 An anti-bad cop bias is the correct framing. Well said. merrily Jul 2014 #66

Woah SJ didnt you get the new training memo? We dont use tasers anymore because we might Drew Richards Jul 2014 #122

"There's an anti bad cop bias here." Thank you. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #168

When it's all one sided yes treestar Jul 2014 #65

But when good cops do not stand up against the bad cops avebury Jul 2014 #75

i ask this question all the time: if there are so many good cops.. frylock Jul 2014 #120

More perspective. Scootaloo Jul 2014 #130

Good post and analogy. TransitJohn Jul 2014 #161

I suppose because, as with most things in life, enlightenment Jul 2014 #6

Balance, probably. MineralMan Jul 2014 #8

Balance is when one person posts both sorts of stories. Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #112

+1 Drew Richards Jul 2014 #125

Precisely malaise Jul 2014 #132

Exactly cpamomfromtexas Jul 2014 #135

+4 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #172

It's not fair to generalize. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #9

Like a couple of others above me pointed out... pipi_k Jul 2014 #10

I'm sure there are plenty of good cops. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #12

So, you must favor getting rid of police entirely geek tragedy Jul 2014 #38

I know, the attitude is such that treestar Jul 2014 #69

Your ratio's backwards. TransitJohn Jul 2014 #18

Really? Let's see some data to back that up, OK? MineralMan Jul 2014 #23

Just take my word for it. TransitJohn Jul 2014 #25

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #30

Thanks. TransitJohn Jul 2014 #53

you're quite welcome wyldwolf Jul 2014 #54

+1000 look at the sources of Pro Cop threads Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #40

Not even former. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #74

Sorry, but pipi_k Jul 2014 #41

you cited some numbers yourself.. frylock Jul 2014 #121

"cop fellators?" GMAFB cyberswede Jul 2014 #85

The issue is that when Bad Cops are found to have done something truly horrific, Maedhros Jul 2014 #39

OK I can dig it, but pipi_k Jul 2014 #46

"Good" cops cover for bad cops all goddam day. (n/t) Iggo Jul 2014 #47

Exactly. How many times have we seen Mariana Jul 2014 #77

How many times? Only the very few times someone catches it on video. Iggo Jul 2014 #88

Bad cops are an extreme public danger Scootaloo Jul 2014 #137

just shows how severely police fail to regulate and police themselves and their fellows nt msongs Jul 2014 #13

But then, just to be the devil's advocate, Quantess Jul 2014 #17

Huh? Teachers don't do internal investigations on other teachers. merrily Jul 2014 #76

Yes, that is what I meant! Quantess Jul 2014 #97

Ok, but, in both cases, the higher ups do investigate both teachers and police, merrily Jul 2014 #100

+1 merrily Jul 2014 #72

Not all cops are bad cops. Quantess Jul 2014 #15

Sure, but US law enforcement is routinely horrible and getting worse. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #159

There's certainly plenty of material to show cops behaving badly. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #19

"could use a baton" ????? steve2470 Jul 2014 #22

I have zero tolerance for those "sovereign citizen" types who pick fights with police 24/7. Sorry. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #26

The police are NEVER entitled to retaliate or punish someone aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #80

I post anti-cop shit, but I don't mind rebuttals. ZombieHorde Jul 2014 #20

Good cops and bad cops. Just like any other group. MineralMan Jul 2014 #21

Madison police deliver cakes to courthouse for newlyweds undeterred Jul 2014 #27

Deleted by author not looking for conflict Drew Richards Jul 2014 #134

How would I know that from looking at the picture? undeterred Jul 2014 #151

Sorry I thought you pulled photos from nyt article and forgot to mention it. My bad. Drew Richards Jul 2014 #153

Thank God you're on the case. (nt) Inkfreak Jul 2014 #31

I must have missed it. But anything is beter than the usual childish "fuck tha police" crowd tritsofme Jul 2014 #32

Sorry if this hurts the delicate sensibilities of the boot lickers. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #37

Law enforcement is in need of major reform. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #43

You might want to pipi_k Jul 2014 #56

It's not for shock or disgust. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #64

You could just as easily have linked pipi_k Jul 2014 #84

Yes it would. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #90

"But police on civilian violence is more common" cyberswede Jul 2014 #123

Yeah. Don't offend our delicate sensibilities with the reality of police violence. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #81

OK fine... pipi_k Jul 2014 #98

It is reality for a lot of people. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #104

Why wouldn't that be fine. TransitJohn Jul 2014 #163

So would it be cool with you... WatermelonRat Jul 2014 #152

It's in the context of this thread, not solely to shock or disgust. merrily Jul 2014 #86

How does that image contravene those standards? TransitJohn Jul 2014 #162

Isn't that a form of bigotry? treestar Jul 2014 #67

No, YOU don't know about the case. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #73

So if a cop did that and was guilty treestar Jul 2014 #79

Murder is never ok. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #87

Where do you get those statistics? treestar Jul 2014 #181

Where in the post with the pic does it say that all cops are tarred by it? merrily Jul 2014 #89

It's not said pipi_k Jul 2014 #102

I saw it as an example. merrily Jul 2014 #111

Because cops who do things like that almost always get away with it. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #173

How do they get away with it? treestar Jul 2014 #182

As a former reserve officer with two ex-cops in my family tularetom Jul 2014 #45

agree 100% steve2470 Jul 2014 #50

So what if they have an agenda? ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #51

Because they are biased and showing only one side Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #60

Ok. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #63

I want to see both--all--sides as well. merrily Jul 2014 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #149

Bad government bad. LLD Jul 2014 #52

It's great when a cop saves a woman from a speeding train and the like aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #59

Serve and protect. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #61

Probably they feel it's a counter balance to "We hate cops" posts el_bryanto Jul 2014 #70

This thread reeks of white privilege. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #78

It must be demonstrating rape culture too. TransitJohn Jul 2014 #164

Yes it does. The cops are nice to me, therefore they're A-okay! nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #174

I wonder how many of the pro authority types are upper middle class and white? ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #91

you are doing it wrong snooper2 Jul 2014 #188

In one of those threads I posted a comment that I think tblue37 Jul 2014 #94

Very important points. Especially... Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #113

And there you have it... pipi_k Jul 2014 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author TransitJohn Jul 2014 #165

I probably should not post because I have not seen merrily Jul 2014 #95

Yeah, well... pipi_k Jul 2014 #106

My post did not say only one side should use trash thread or use ignore. merrily Jul 2014 #110

There are cops who are Democrats and even some DUers. pnwmom Jul 2014 #124

And a lot of cops are on our side on the issue of guns becoming too easy to own aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #139

Of course we should post stories about their misbehavior -- and also on the occasion pnwmom Jul 2014 #141

"I think that since the Reagan era the majority have been Republicans." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #175

Omert� is the problem. Ron Green Jul 2014 #126

Until the "good cops" stop covering for the brutal jerk cops... 99Forever Jul 2014 #129

+1 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #176

Yes, goddammit! This is a liberal board so we should only hear one storyline!!! lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #140

I've defended them in past, most, or at least half have good moral values and dedication... MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #142

The way you phrased the question in the OP... CBHagman Jul 2014 #148

I really believe police have a tough job, but they should all wear cameras and audio recorders. Hoyt Jul 2014 #150

This is a good idea for all concerned Generic Other Jul 2014 #166

Examples? Jenoch Jul 2014 #155

Oh you know. Savannahmann Jul 2014 #160

Okay I'll fess up! It was to piss you off! Rex Jul 2014 #171