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In reply to the discussion: Why you'll never hear this Feminist use the word "Mansplain"... [View all]redqueen
(115,186 posts)97. Oh, excellent. An opportunity to share this:
http://generationhandmaid.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/its-not-about-the-nail-women-and-emotional-gaslighting/
I first heard of the term emotional gaslighting when I was perusing the internet in my downtime and was caught my the article title Why Women Arent Crazy. The writer Yashar Ali makes what I believe is an incredibly astute argument regarding how society treats women, both individually and as a whole, in order to convince themselves and everyone else that women are hormonal, crazy, irrational, and over-emotional when perhaps thats not entirely fair. Yes, women have more estrogen than men, or else no one on this planet would be here, but it goes beyond that women live in a damned if you do, damned if you dont world. If we are too careful about revealing our bodies, talking to men and being physical, were prudish and bitchy. If we embrace our sexual agency and freedom, were sluts and whores. We are told things that are hurtful and would, in any other situation, be expected to be met with a negative reaction. But if we react to these criticisms, we are being crazy.
When I originally posted a link to this article on my personal social media account, a male friend of mine responded with telling me that this wasnt a womens issue specifically, but could be applied to people being jerks as a whole. I responded by telling him that no, this is in fact a womens issue. Emotional gaslighting specifically being applied to women in society is the issue Im presenting here. He then told me that since he doesnt do that he wouldnt recognize it, but my honest takeaway from this exchange is that he did the exact thing I was trying to illuminate he told me that I shouldnt be upset because it was everyones problem, not just women, and I shouldnt feel entitled to my what? My pity party? Was this his knee-jerk reaction to the notion that straight white men in this country ought not to sit around feeling sorry for themselves?
I know that its hard to digest it when someone tells you that the socioeconomic group (or what have you) that you belong to has and is doing wrong to others, even if you are not directly causing it. Why do you thing so many people complain about there not being a White History Month? Because white folks are tired of feeling like a villain, but the solution here isnt to complain, its to adjust our actions. I made a vow to stop emotional gaslighting even if I dont recognize it, but I think that the men in my life and in my universe should at least ponder this idea for a few minutes before going about their day.
Women, repeat after me: I am not crazy. I am entitled to my feelings. I am a rational human being. Repeat as needed.
Aunt Lydia said it was best not to speak unless they asked you a direct question. Try to think of it from their point of view she said, her hands clasped and wrung together, her nervous pleading smile. It isnt easy for them.
-Margaret Atwood, The Handmaids Tale
I first heard of the term emotional gaslighting when I was perusing the internet in my downtime and was caught my the article title Why Women Arent Crazy. The writer Yashar Ali makes what I believe is an incredibly astute argument regarding how society treats women, both individually and as a whole, in order to convince themselves and everyone else that women are hormonal, crazy, irrational, and over-emotional when perhaps thats not entirely fair. Yes, women have more estrogen than men, or else no one on this planet would be here, but it goes beyond that women live in a damned if you do, damned if you dont world. If we are too careful about revealing our bodies, talking to men and being physical, were prudish and bitchy. If we embrace our sexual agency and freedom, were sluts and whores. We are told things that are hurtful and would, in any other situation, be expected to be met with a negative reaction. But if we react to these criticisms, we are being crazy.
Gaslighting is a term, often used by mental health professionals (I am not one), to describe manipulative behavior used to confuse people into thinking their reactions are so far off base that theyre crazy .Those who engage in [emotional] gaslighting create a reactionwhether its anger, frustration, sadnessin the person they are dealing with. Then, when that person reacts, the gaslighter makes them feel uncomfortable and insecure by behaving as if their feelings arent rational or normal .women bare the brunt of our neurosis. It is much easier for us to place our emotional burdens on the shoulders of our wives, our female friends, our girlfriends, our female employees, our female colleagues, than for us to impose them on the shoulders of men. Its a whole lot easier to emotionally manipulate someone who has been conditioned by our society to accept it. We continue to burden women because they dont refuse our burdens as easily. Its the ultimate cowardice.
When I originally posted a link to this article on my personal social media account, a male friend of mine responded with telling me that this wasnt a womens issue specifically, but could be applied to people being jerks as a whole. I responded by telling him that no, this is in fact a womens issue. Emotional gaslighting specifically being applied to women in society is the issue Im presenting here. He then told me that since he doesnt do that he wouldnt recognize it, but my honest takeaway from this exchange is that he did the exact thing I was trying to illuminate he told me that I shouldnt be upset because it was everyones problem, not just women, and I shouldnt feel entitled to my what? My pity party? Was this his knee-jerk reaction to the notion that straight white men in this country ought not to sit around feeling sorry for themselves?
I know that its hard to digest it when someone tells you that the socioeconomic group (or what have you) that you belong to has and is doing wrong to others, even if you are not directly causing it. Why do you thing so many people complain about there not being a White History Month? Because white folks are tired of feeling like a villain, but the solution here isnt to complain, its to adjust our actions. I made a vow to stop emotional gaslighting even if I dont recognize it, but I think that the men in my life and in my universe should at least ponder this idea for a few minutes before going about their day.
Women, repeat after me: I am not crazy. I am entitled to my feelings. I am a rational human being. Repeat as needed.
Aunt Lydia said it was best not to speak unless they asked you a direct question. Try to think of it from their point of view she said, her hands clasped and wrung together, her nervous pleading smile. It isnt easy for them.
-Margaret Atwood, The Handmaids Tale
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I hadn't read reply #1 before composing my other reply (#6), but that's a perfect example.
Electric Monk
Jul 2014
#12
It is a gendered behavior. Men do it to women all the damn time. Women don't do it to men or women,
LeftyMom
Jul 2014
#51
I'm not fully understanding can you explain it with a little more detail please!
snooper2
Jul 2014
#211
She was only "shown the door" as far as this thread goes, not all of DU, for having a post hidden.nt
Electric Monk
Jul 2014
#157
LOL - she's probably better off, since this is just a flamebait thread anyway.
cyberswede
Jul 2014
#158
I'll stop saying it when men stop talking down to me about things I know more about than them.
LeftyMom
Jul 2014
#2
Thanks for telling me what it's like to be female. You're right, I have no idea how men talk to me.
LeftyMom
Jul 2014
#8
Are you antagonized because I posted a feminist saying she never uses the term "mansplaining"?
Bonobo
Jul 2014
#21
Your MO is to stir shit with women generally and feminists in particular. What's in that for you?
LeftyMom
Jul 2014
#26
Your argument about how having a word for the way men talk down to women is unhelpful,
LeftyMom
Jul 2014
#48
good to know that one is jury proof because we all know about this one ...
Tuesday Afternoon
Jul 2014
#162
What utter nonsense. Since when are men portrayed as ditzy blondes in the media.
R B Garr
Jul 2014
#195
"Will in no way compare." ok. Here's Jeff Daniels in Dumb & Dumber, anyway. YMMV
Electric Monk
Jul 2014
#196
I don't how many times men have lectured me about feminism without knowing the basic history
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#59
Many times I've seen it used on DU it as basically trying to invalidate some guys opinion
Electric Monk
Jul 2014
#6
maybe next time go to the link source, and you would have seen this article was written by a woman..
quinnox
Jul 2014
#32
I'd say so. But at least it is novel to see someone proudly proclaim they voted to hide a post, lol
quinnox
Jul 2014
#42
"Not trying to be insulting.... but it is what it is." Well, unfortunately, you kinda failed there.
AverageJoe90
Jul 2014
#198
So we now have a couple of great new terms that, in effect, turn normal but "bad" human behavior
Bonobo
Jul 2014
#105
I think gaslighting originally could be applied to either gender, though, IIRC.
AverageJoe90
Jul 2014
#116
Gaslight is an excellent movie, redqueen. Have you seen it? There are two versions.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jul 2014
#156
Do I enjoy discussing different opinions and issues on subjects on a discussion board?
Bonobo
Jul 2014
#79
LOL, no I am posting an opinion about sexism written by a feminist that I agree with.
Bonobo
Jul 2014
#87
What a shame that you can no longer participate in this thread for having a post hidden 5-2. nt
Electric Monk
Jul 2014
#86
Like I said, it was written by a Feminist. So it is not me "mansplaining" anything.
Bonobo
Jul 2014
#98
Better than organizing against Hobby Lobby. Gotta keep things in perspective, Bravenak!
freshwest
Jul 2014
#134
Thanks for posting this. Very good article.....even if it *is* just a tad dated. =)
AverageJoe90
Jul 2014
#107
and it's quite futting the actor who played Cliff Clavin is a right wing asshole.
alp227
Jul 2014
#187
When you observe that man explaining more to women and less to guys, that's how.
Gormy Cuss
Jul 2014
#206
To each there own, though I agree with some points expressed lets just say I personally feel
AuntPatsy
Jul 2014
#153
Only slightly relieved to hear that... Not like those memes haven't been around elsewhere... TY.
freshwest
Jul 2014
#229