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Showing Original Post only (View all)If you think that Snowden ought to have gone through channels, consider this. [View all]
Today, Greg Miller of the Washington Post tells us the story of Jeffrey Scudder, who worked in the CIAs Historical Collections Division. This is a division explicitly set up to look for old documents that can be safely released to the public. Scudder discovered thousands of documents he thought should be released, and he worked diligently through channels to make this happen. When that ran into repeated roadblocks, he eventually decided to try to force the CIA's handlegally, openlyby filing requests under the Freedom of Information Act:
Scudders FOIA submissions fell into two categories: one seeking new digital copies of articles already designated for release and another aimed at articles yet to be cleared. He made spreadsheets that listed the titles of all 1,987 articles he wanted, he said, then had them scanned for classified content and got permission to take them home so he could assemble his FOIA request on personal time.
....Six months after submitting his request, Scudder was summoned to a meeting with Counterintelligence Center investigators and asked to surrender his personal computer. He was placed on administrative leave, instructed not to travel overseas and questioned by the FBI.
....On Nov. 27, 2012, a stream of black cars pulled up in front of Scudders home in Ashburn, Va., at 6 a.m. FBI agents seized every computer in the house, including a laptop his daughter had brought home from college for Thanksgiving. They took cellphones, storage devices, DVDs, a Nintendo Game Boy and a journal kept by his wife, a physical therapist in the Loudoun County Schools.
The search lasted nearly four hours, Scudder said. FBI agents followed his wife and daughters into their bedrooms as they got dressed, asking probing questions. It was classic elicitation, Scudder said. How has Jeff been? Have you noticed any unexplained income? Cash? Mood changes?
....Last summer, the board recommended that Scudder be fired. Around the same time, he was shown a spreadsheet outlining his possible pension packages with two figures one large and one small underlined. He agreed to retire.
....Six months after submitting his request, Scudder was summoned to a meeting with Counterintelligence Center investigators and asked to surrender his personal computer. He was placed on administrative leave, instructed not to travel overseas and questioned by the FBI.
....On Nov. 27, 2012, a stream of black cars pulled up in front of Scudders home in Ashburn, Va., at 6 a.m. FBI agents seized every computer in the house, including a laptop his daughter had brought home from college for Thanksgiving. They took cellphones, storage devices, DVDs, a Nintendo Game Boy and a journal kept by his wife, a physical therapist in the Loudoun County Schools.
The search lasted nearly four hours, Scudder said. FBI agents followed his wife and daughters into their bedrooms as they got dressed, asking probing questions. It was classic elicitation, Scudder said. How has Jeff been? Have you noticed any unexplained income? Cash? Mood changes?
....Last summer, the board recommended that Scudder be fired. Around the same time, he was shown a spreadsheet outlining his possible pension packages with two figures one large and one small underlined. He agreed to retire.
.......
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/07/heres-what-happens-when-you-challenge-cia-through-proper-channels
and:
The NSA Said Edward Snowden Had No Access to Surveillance Intercepts. They Lied.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/07/nsa-said-edward-snowden-had-no-access-surveillance-intercepts-they-lied
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If you think that Snowden ought to have gone through channels, consider this. [View all]
kpete
Jul 2014
OP
Snowden's big sin, to some, was exposing the NSA while Obama is president. As if that mattered in
djean111
Jul 2014
#1
Please show me where anything that precise came out of the Snowden documents.
BlueCheese
Jul 2014
#32
Intelligence for economic advantage that violates the rights of innocent Chinese citizens.
Vattel
Jul 2014
#64
Mike Rodgers' House Intel Committee had gotten no evidence that Chinese firms had penetrated US
ancianita
Jul 2014
#82
Not trying to get you. Trying to present the idea that the evidence isn't all in yet about our
ancianita
Jul 2014
#84
While begging the question that there *are* "industrial espionage activities"...
gcomeau
Jul 2014
#90
No one assumes as much as you seem to. I said: what evidence we do have "points to" the existence of
ancianita
Jul 2014
#91
No "industrial components"! No content! No industrial espionage exists! Glad that's cleared up!
ancianita
Jul 2014
#96
According to Snowden via Greenwald, 70% of our national intel budget is spent in the private sector,
ancianita
Jul 2014
#80
Its "protection" systems extend less for Americans' safety than for corporate govt. safety.
ancianita
Jul 2014
#86
...and to others it was being a bold faced liar and losing all credibility that he COULD have gained
uponit7771
Jul 2014
#23
Yes, "while Obama was President" is the operative phrase. End of story. n/t
truth2power
Jul 2014
#74
When Snowden first revealed anything at all - the big accusation here was that he
djean111
Jul 2014
#102
or we're not willing to believe in grifteres like Greewald? Snowden being a bold faced liar doesn't
uponit7771
Jul 2014
#24
Facts convince people themselves. Fact: Snowden lied about going through any channels and people
uponit7771
Jul 2014
#78
Why do I think that it doesn't matter how much evidence you were presented with?
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#33
By this logic, a guy who gets hit by a truck crossing the street means none of us should ever cross
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#52
Yeah, Consider that, OP! Either that or Snowden Lied his ass off A-gain. Get the stories straight.
Cha
Jul 2014
#59
Maybe the thread title should read "... have persisted in going through channels ..."
Babel_17
Jul 2014
#9
Yeap... no comeback on the "exposed' part... i'ts like people have been gaslighted to no end
uponit7771
Jul 2014
#70
With that logic every person of color has a reason to NEVER EVER surrender themselves to the police
uponit7771
Jul 2014
#22
Forced to retire is your idea of why going through channels is such a horrible idea?
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#104