If ACA mandates are upheld, we won't get Medicare-for-All and better health care for a generation.

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84. That's not what I said.

Why do you believe the for profit "health" insurance industry opposed a strong national public option?

Why do you lie about me?

The exchanges that you speak of, aren't those just state size exchanges?

Yes. And that's the point. We can't get public options or single-payer through Congress. It's been tried in every single Congress since the Truman administration.

What we can do is get public options and single-payer through blue state legislatures. Then we'll be able to market those successes to less-blue states. Once a lot more states have single-payer or public option, merging those into a national program is a lot easier than creating a national program from scratch. This is how Canada ended up with single-payer.

What are the limits of overhead and profits if the price of medical products and services go up?

Run the math on that and you'll find it creates a diminishing-returns problem for the health insurance company.

What kind of incentives would the hospitals, big pharma etc. etc. have for containing cost if the for profit insurance industry wanted those costs to be appreciate?

That would be the evil, vile "death panels". At least, that's what they really do under the ACA.