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60. Snowden's been squiggling and lying from the get go. Just one more lie to him.

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If you think that Snowden ought to have gone through channels, consider this. [View all] kpete Jul 2014 OP

Snowden's big sin, to some, was exposing the NSA while Obama is president. As if that mattered in djean111 Jul 2014 #1

Can't help but wonder how many of the people spanking Snowden Jake Stern Jul 2014 #7

You can be certain. tymorial Jul 2014 #25

Damn! Good post!! chervilant Jul 2014 #45

Thank you :) tymorial Jul 2014 #63

I do like that quote. chervilant Jul 2014 #68

He would have been a hero. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #39

Exactly. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #8

that is obvious. that is why i don't pay attention to that bunch m-lekktor Jul 2014 #12

Snowden's big sin to many others... gcomeau Jul 2014 #19

First, I think that exaggerates what Snowden did. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #26

No, that precisely and literally defines what he did. gcomeau Jul 2014 #31

Please show me where anything that precise came out of the Snowden documents. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #32

Ahem... gcomeau Jul 2014 #36

My point is that the government leaks things when it's convenient to them. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #37

And I repeat... gcomeau Jul 2014 #51

Nobody is seriously thinking about prosecuting them. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #53

Ah, I bow to your powers of telepathy. Very impressive. -eom gcomeau Jul 2014 #62

Actually that's pretty much how the NSA operates its PR system. ancianita Jul 2014 #85

Also, the attacks on Huawei listed in the Der Spiegel article... BlueCheese Jul 2014 #38

He should be applauded for revealing those attacks on Chinese computers. Vattel Jul 2014 #41

He was exposing Intelligence Activities on the part of the US gcomeau Jul 2014 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueCheese Jul 2014 #54

Intelligence for economic advantage that violates the rights of innocent Chinese citizens. Vattel Jul 2014 #64

Which is based on nothing but the Chinese claim. gcomeau Jul 2014 #65

Mike Rodgers' House Intel Committee had gotten no evidence that Chinese firms had penetrated US ancianita Jul 2014 #82

Uh huh... so basically gcomeau Jul 2014 #83

Not trying to get you. Trying to present the idea that the evidence isn't all in yet about our ancianita Jul 2014 #84

While begging the question that there *are* "industrial espionage activities"... gcomeau Jul 2014 #90

No one assumes as much as you seem to. I said: what evidence we do have "points to" the existence of ancianita Jul 2014 #91

And I pointed out gcomeau Jul 2014 #95

No "industrial components"! No content! No industrial espionage exists! Glad that's cleared up! ancianita Jul 2014 #96

Making statements with exclamation points! gcomeau Jul 2014 #97

Mocking! doesn't make you right. You don't accept as evidence what Snowden ancianita Jul 2014 #98

No, I have pointed out gcomeau Jul 2014 #99

let me get this straight reorg Jul 2014 #43

You declaring it to be industrial espionage doesn't make it so. -eom gcomeau Jul 2014 #50

According to Snowden via Greenwald, 70% of our national intel budget is spent in the private sector, ancianita Jul 2014 #80

Which doesn't make it "industrial espionage" gcomeau Jul 2014 #81

Its "protection" systems extend less for Americans' safety than for corporate govt. safety. ancianita Jul 2014 #86

I can't even tell what the point of what you just said was. gcomeau Jul 2014 #88

...and to others it was being a bold faced liar and losing all credibility that he COULD have gained uponit7771 Jul 2014 #23

Yes, "while Obama was President" is the operative phrase. End of story. n/t truth2power Jul 2014 #74

Actually, I think his big sin... Adrahil Jul 2014 #101

When Snowden first revealed anything at all - the big accusation here was that he djean111 Jul 2014 #102

Well, I DO think he has been played by Greenwald and Assange.... Adrahil Jul 2014 #103

Make No Mistake - The System Eats Those That Attempt Reform From Within cantbeserious Jul 2014 #2

It is modeled after the corporation's "open door" policies. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #3

It's worse than that. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #10

One case treestar Jul 2014 #4

Hogwash BillZBubb Jul 2014 #16

PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #18

or we're not willing to believe in grifteres like Greewald? Snowden being a bold faced liar doesn't uponit7771 Jul 2014 #24

More baloney. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #35

Again today, the NSA were proven to be liars MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #55

Read Greenwald's book, "No Place to Hide"... truth2power Jul 2014 #75

Facts convince people themselves. Fact: Snowden lied about going through any channels and people uponit7771 Jul 2014 #78

Why do I think that it doesn't matter how much evidence you were presented with? rhett o rick Jul 2014 #33

By this logic, a guy who gets hit by a truck crossing the street means none of us should ever cross stevenleser Jul 2014 #52

So true treestar Jul 2014 #100

Wait, I thought Snowden did go through channels, but was ignored... SidDithers Jul 2014 #5

Whiplash! randome Jul 2014 #30

Yeah, Consider that, OP! Either that or Snowden Lied his ass off A-gain. Get the stories straight. Cha Jul 2014 #59

The "channels" all lead to the same dead end swamp. SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2014 #6

Maybe the thread title should read "... have persisted in going through channels ..." Babel_17 Jul 2014 #9

NSA's message on the 4th Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #11

How much leeway does an employee have to "disclose" legal activity? Recursion Jul 2014 #13

Snowden going through channels to the NSA bosses is like.... Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #14

But he now insists that NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #57

I'm much more inclined to believe Snowden than the NSA. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #61

... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #66

Is the problem with Snowden his credibility or what he exposed? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #67

What has he 'exposed' ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #69

Yeap... no comeback on the "exposed' part... i'ts like people have been gaslighted to no end uponit7771 Jul 2014 #70

If he didn't expose anything, why are they pursuing him? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #71

He is being pursued ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #72

DO tell, Nance: chervilant Jul 2014 #76

My knickers in a twist? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #79

Yes, indeed, I do like that little chervilant Jul 2014 #87

I'm from Brooklyn ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #89

Considering the fate of the whistle blowers that had gone before him 90-percent Jul 2014 #15

Going through "channels" is a fools errand. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #17

"After his first attempts came to nothing"? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #73

The Groupie strikes back! BillZBubb Jul 2014 #92

Calling me a 'groupie' is so junior high ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #94

�I am one of those guys who has to push that button,� he said. Historic NY Jul 2014 #20

Comrade Snowden's sin is.... Cryptoad Jul 2014 #21

Stones? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #27

Really? I think his sin was quite different. Pholus Jul 2014 #34

Yeah! He suppose be macho!! elias49 Jul 2014 #46

Same old right wing smear: "Comrade". You should be proud. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #93

With that logic every person of color has a reason to NEVER EVER surrender themselves to the police uponit7771 Jul 2014 #22

+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #40

Snowden appears to be sticking to a schedule Babel_17 Jul 2014 #28

Just think of all the employee power that has been wasted... MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #29

Thanks...don't know how many times "Snowden didn't have any other Recourse" given KoKo Jul 2014 #42

and that's fine Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #44

No s***, just what I was thinking about the NSA. elias49 Jul 2014 #47

Snowden's been squiggling and lying from the get go. Just one more lie to him. Cha Jul 2014 #60

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #48

I am very, very said to say that MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #56

HUMONGOUS K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #58

I'm glad the info is out. Our government is wasting our tax $$ merrily Jul 2014 #77

Forced to retire is your idea of why going through channels is such a horrible idea? stevenleser Jul 2014 #104