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justanaverageguy

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110. Legally speaking no

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 02:03 PM

Jul 2014

of course it's not manslaughter.

Roe vs Wade is a legal standard not a moral standard....but let's look at Roe v Wade says. I'm paraphrasing here but basically what Roe V Wade says is that after it becomes viable for the fetus to live out of the womb it is then a legitimate government interest to protect the fetus. (that's why late term abortions can be against the law) Of course in 1973 that was a point much further along in the pregnancy than it is today. How do you apply Roe v Wade when medical science learns to save a fetus that is just weeks old? In 1973 it would have been unheard of for a fetus of less than 22 weeks to survive....but no more. The current record is 21 weeks, and 6 days.

If life doesn't begin at conception when does it begin? When does the fetus become a life worth protecting? Should a person who kills a pregnant woman be charged with 2 murders?

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Seen on Facebook; An extraordinarily well written response to an anti-choice post [View all] A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 OP

Excellent. NV Whino Jul 2014 #1

pregnancy is not a blood transfusion or organ donation. the example is also unrealistic leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #2

Do you not agree the larger point has merit? A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #3

i do, when we're talking blood transfussions and organ donating but pregnancy is neither leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #6

To clarify, do you think women have bodily autonomy when it Cal Carpenter Jul 2014 #10

i think the birth decision should be upto the mother and the father of that baby leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #11

Elaborate further, please. What is the father's role in this decision? What if they disagree? LeftyMom Jul 2014 #14

if they disagree i can only speak for myself and if she wanted to abort and i didnt. i would leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #27

Fight how? Legally, physically? Social stigma? You have no legal control over that decision. LeftyMom Jul 2014 #30

omg not phyically.legally,my baby my choice.if i lose in court i lose in court leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #35

While a fetus is in a woman's body it is a collection of cells - TBF Jul 2014 #40

It's not your choice. You don't get to demand the use of somebody's body. LeftyMom Jul 2014 #41

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #50

No, you have no control over somebody else's body. LeftyMom Jul 2014 #53

And that post is gone. alp227 Jul 2014 #179

OMG. Juror #5. Squinch Jul 2014 #237

No, it's not gone... Callmecrazy Jul 2014 #282

So every woman who has had an abortion is a baby-killer, according to you. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #60

You got it passiveporcupine Jul 2014 #199

The chances of dying in childbirth still very much exists rockbluff botanist Jul 2014 #65

Welcome back! Good post. AllyCat Jul 2014 #327

I am inclined to be sympathetic to your caveman-like perspective Orrex Jul 2014 #68

"what's the word for a woman who kills the baby of a man" - Are you fucking kidding me? cyberswede Jul 2014 #70

Apparently it is acceptable. This is what happens TBF Jul 2014 #78

At least it should be... Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #80

No I asked in ATA ( my only question ever) ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #153

WTF??? AngryDem001 Jul 2014 #189

Yeah. Just my personal opinion about what I'd rather not see on DU. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #213

I would like to see that list of Dems that are anti-choice. nt DURHAM D Jul 2014 #215

Whether a baby is killed yes - TBF Jul 2014 #76

"you should change your name to hyperbole-mom" NealK Jul 2014 #84

"what's the word for a woman who kills the baby of a man." catbyte Jul 2014 #87

I think men can solve this problem by having their own babies.... abakan Jul 2014 #204

I say amen to that! catbyte Jul 2014 #218

another way for men not to be 'concerned' about abortion noiretextatique Jul 2014 #346

You do not. jmowreader Jul 2014 #90

Abortion is not 'killing a baby'. It's terminating a pregnancy. There's a difference. PeaceNikki Jul 2014 #91

it's a difference to you leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #115

And the FUCKING LAW, dude. Get a clue. PeaceNikki Jul 2014 #129

people like you are ruining my home state. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #317

so "she" should be able to exert control over your body too Sheepshank Jul 2014 #166

Actualy, all straight men should be put in male chastity cages when they reach puberty... Scruffy Rumbler Jul 2014 #336

What's the word? Several ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #169

"what's the word for a woman who kills the baby of a man." Quantess Jul 2014 #171

+ about a million Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #55

Thank you, leftymom. SunSeeker Jul 2014 #265

Why is this simple concept so hard for people to accept? Chemisse Jul 2014 #340

But seriously - isn't it more accurate to say "my sperm, my choice"? bullwinkle428 Jul 2014 #72

When as a male you can DIE from pregnancy or childbirth, HockeyMom Jul 2014 #89

Force her to DIE? did i say that anywhere. leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #118

You don't know much about pregnancy, do you? aquart Jul 2014 #207

My husband was screaming at the Hospital Staff HockeyMom Jul 2014 #221

Are you not aware that pregnancy and childbirth are inherently risky? Chemisse Jul 2014 #341

so, you think impregnating a woman's gives you autonomy over her body? noiretextatique Jul 2014 #133

no i dont but i DO have say in what happens to our baby leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #142

that's reasonable noiretextatique Jul 2014 #161

No, actually, you don't... ljm2002 Jul 2014 #175

Really? I dispute that on ethical grounds. The Traveler Jul 2014 #176

Thank you, Traveler. Curmudgeoness Jul 2014 #266

I love you. eom littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #311

So well written! NT Scruffy Rumbler Jul 2014 #337

You can scream about 'your say' Control-Z Jul 2014 #185

After it's a baby. Iggo Jul 2014 #223

When you get pregnant, you will have all the say you want, until then the Woman has 100% say randys1 Jul 2014 #255

Right? bravenak Jul 2014 #261

Not only would anti abortion men demand abortion clinics be more available than ATM's randys1 Jul 2014 #269

Terrorists. bravenak Jul 2014 #271

no, you fucking don't. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #318

No actually Bartlet Jul 2014 #324

Sure. After it is born. Chemisse Jul 2014 #342

Not before the birth, you don't... cry baby Jul 2014 #350

Many people, especially men, have no idea the strain of going through with Maraya1969 Jul 2014 #281

Awesome. Schooled. eom littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #312

if you aren't a woman awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #316

Even more specific in this case - if you aren't THE woman Ineeda Jul 2014 #334

Agreed. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #349

Are you carrying it? No? Then you have no argument to make Scootaloo Jul 2014 #67

im not carrying the baby but it is my baby also and that gives me an argument to make leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #126

As I say, you have an opinion Scootaloo Jul 2014 #158

If it's not your body... abakan Jul 2014 #212

So you would put fathers who dont pay child support in jail, I hope? randys1 Jul 2014 #256

I think it is important that men be required to pay child support when they father kids. StevieM Jul 2014 #295

I'm pretty sure the law says men have equal say regarding adoption after the child is born. Chemisse Jul 2014 #343

The law says you have no say Bartlet Jul 2014 #325

It's not a baby. All you did was have a good night. AllyCat Jul 2014 #328

a fertilized egg is not a baby noiretextatique Jul 2014 #348

It isn't a baby til birth. nt cry baby Jul 2014 #351

Beautifully said. eom littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #313

Here's a suggestion Aerows Jul 2014 #73

Good advice although it could take awhile to find one. nt TBF Jul 2014 #79

with his attitude he may never find one ... maybe over at FR Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #82

No doubt with an attitude like that n/t Aerows Jul 2014 #224

he needs to stick to awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #319

what part of that fb post do you not understand? YOU do NOT have the right to force a woman niyad Jul 2014 #294

Fight if you want MattBaggins Jul 2014 #338

Still not clear. Do you think a woman should have legal bodily autonomy Cal Carpenter Jul 2014 #16

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #21

Wow. So a woman is nothing more than an incubator to you? nt TBF Jul 2014 #29

those are your words not mine - i dont see motherhood as merely an incubator but leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #128

My view is pro-choice - TBF Jul 2014 #134

You seem confused Lordquinton Jul 2014 #178

Forced birth were your words, though. Iggo Jul 2014 #226

Again - my suggestion Aerows Jul 2014 #229

saying a father should be able to force a birth awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #321

Wow. Forcing births is not a part of the Dem platform, btw. bettyellen Jul 2014 #34

i cant physically force her but i wouldnt want her to have an abortion leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #145

If you make the decision to have sex with a woman Aerows Jul 2014 #231

These "I am the father, hear me roar" people never get that fact. They're all about their Squinch Jul 2014 #241

You do know women die in from pregnancy related issues and during childbirth correct? riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #236

And there are no genetic defects you can't live with in that child. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #314

you keep going up to the line awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #322

Thanks for clarifying Cal Carpenter Jul 2014 #38

WELL, before you have sex with any woman you better make it clear to her KittyWampus Jul 2014 #39

She needs to get that in writing, too. That way she can warn others with proof. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #69

Wow. What in actual fuck? Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #43

Jury almost unanimous. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #190

I didn't have teh stomach to alert on it. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #191

.. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #315

Um. laundry_queen Jul 2014 #45

. CreekDog Jul 2014 #49

a forced birther. nt cry baby Jul 2014 #352

Fortunately we don't live "The Handmaid's Tale" yet. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #62

Holy Hell, we had/have a real live forced birther, sexist troll boston bean Jul 2014 #186

... cyberswede Jul 2014 #195

Really? You linked to my post, which is about 15 posts down? The_Commonist Jul 2014 #216

Note that it's the post number, not the placement on the thread that indicates the time it is read. freshwest Jul 2014 #232

I wanted to make sure boston bean read your post cyberswede Jul 2014 #245

He seems so proud of his cluelessness. It's just as bad. Squinch Jul 2014 #250

I still haven't picked my jaw up off of the floor. smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #272

Discussionist, maybe? Squinch Jul 2014 #276

no, leftieohiolib has been around for a while awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #323

True. Anti-choice among other things. Squinch Jul 2014 #330

how would you force a woman to give birth? CreekDog Jul 2014 #63

Stop. You'll get him all excited. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #81

i dont know - if she really wanted an abortion i doubt there's anything that can be done leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #122

NO, I asked what you "wanted", are you getting scared to elaborate? CreekDog Jul 2014 #123

Burn. Iggo Jul 2014 #228

And there is no possible scenario Aerows Jul 2014 #233

So you think that a rapist should have the right avebury Jul 2014 #88

no, i dont think rapists should have any rights to the child - leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #113

What you consider "understandable" is irrelevant. mountain grammy Jul 2014 #147

if you impregnate a woman or girl who didn't want SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2014 #94

No one has the right to force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. CrispyQ Jul 2014 #101

So when a women is pregnant the father of the fetus can assume control over her body? A Simple Game Jul 2014 #105

I think you took a wrong turn at Albuquerque. historylovr Jul 2014 #125

why b/c no man wants to see his child born? leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #140

No, because from what you've said in this thread TBF Jul 2014 #156

No, because you insist a woman should be forced to carry a fetus to term. historylovr Jul 2014 #181

OMG. myrna minx Jul 2014 #136

Let's carry this to its conclusion: christx30 Jul 2014 #177

well then mercuryblues Jul 2014 #180

So, by following your logic Bettie Jul 2014 #217

One thing I find about guys like this laundry_queen Jul 2014 #268

Yep. I know what you mean Bettie Jul 2014 #277

Exactly. laundry_queen Jul 2014 #280

They didn't catch the eclampsia Bettie Jul 2014 #292

Yeah, all girls laundry_queen Jul 2014 #303

A lot of them do know. Mariana Jul 2014 #339

It is not for you to think malaise Jul 2014 #97

So you would consider that a woman who is raped and find avebury Jul 2014 #86

Yes, pregnancy is far far more invasive and risky gcomeau Jul 2014 #93

It establishes the concept of 'Body Autonomy' Trajan Jul 2014 #7

why because dems cant be against abortion? leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #13

Yes, that's exactly why. Respect women or GTFO. LeftyMom Jul 2014 #15

i do respect women, leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #17

Nice edit. Your post was " i do respect women, why cant women respect the life inside them" LeftyMom Jul 2014 #18

there was a reason i took that out - it was judgemental so i removed it leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #22

You mean you were a bit too honest. LeftyMom Jul 2014 #32

such an honest DUer, took you 5000+ posts to post that CreekDog Jul 2014 #36

Once we begin to advertise ourselves, it's often difficult to stop... LanternWaste Jul 2014 #74

ROTFLMFAO! You'd FORCE a woman to give birth at your whim, but you wouldn't want to be Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #83

Forcing the mother to carry the child for nine months and then have the child. Not a Fan Jul 2014 #206

"Life inside them" huh? TBF Jul 2014 #20

i took that out for a reason leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #24

No kidding. TBF Jul 2014 #26

it was too judgemental leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #28

The word is "judgmental" and you are correct TBF Jul 2014 #33

her body is her own but the baby belongs to us both leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #37

Wrong - a fetus inside a body is a collection of cells. TBF Jul 2014 #44

collection of cells is your term for it. not mine,but that collection of cell that will be leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #168

Yes - as long as Roe stands TBF Jul 2014 #184

this enrages me so much I'm going to say something awful... Ineeda Jul 2014 #235

If you feel that strongly about it, then you should always make sure that any smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #278

You're angry at a particular woman, aren't you? Somebody who didn't want to be your brood mare? LeftyMom Jul 2014 #48

no im not mad at anyone. leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #154

you're not mad at her anymore, you're mad at all women now CreekDog Jul 2014 #208

I have 5 children...I own ZERO. Moostache Jul 2014 #66

Thank you for saying that laundry_queen Jul 2014 #124

Thank you. I was going to post something similar, but you covered what I wanted to say and did so smokey nj Jul 2014 #165

Actually...no it wasn't. Women in Saudi Arabia are little more than property. StevieM Jul 2014 #299

when is it a baby? CreekDog Jul 2014 #75

according to the google dictionary, and Webster passiveporcupine Jul 2014 #210

Again, a fetus is a PARASITE, unable to live outside my uterus. Until it can survive on its own, catbyte Jul 2014 #98

Question- have you told every woman you've ever had sex with that you would try to force her KittyWampus Jul 2014 #47

when i was younger i dont recall having convo's like this but then i probably didnt care leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #61

it was too semi-literate. CreekDog Jul 2014 #52

So was your question about what to call a woman who has an abortion. Jamastiene Jul 2014 #356

. CreekDog Jul 2014 #54

Original version with no edits CreekDog Jul 2014 #135

You appear to be unaware of the neon sign over your head that says that you don't respect women. Squinch Jul 2014 #258

welcome to "flagged for review". nt. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #192

Took friggin' long enough. This wasn't the first time he spewed this women-hating nonsense. Squinch Jul 2014 #259

Democratic party platform @2012 - TBF Jul 2014 #332

So you think a dead body has more rights than a woman? TBF Jul 2014 #19

your words not mine - i dont think those two things are relatable leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #23

Oh I think I understand exactly TBF Jul 2014 #25

good, then we are done with this? leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #31

No one is holding a gun to your head and TBF Jul 2014 #46

... Cal Carpenter Jul 2014 #56

! cyberswede Jul 2014 #77

No, it really isn't twisted at all. It doesn't claim that pregnancy IS a blood transfusion or Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #64

Speaking of pretzel: NealK Jul 2014 #95

... Bryce Butler Jul 2014 #137

Hehehehehe -- NO!!! DeSwiss Jul 2014 #252

You did know what a can of worms you would open up with this, right? The_Commonist Jul 2014 #172

"I do think there's an unfortunate strain of "feminism" or something that is prevalent here on DU" cyberswede Jul 2014 #183

OK, you've come right out and said it. The_Commonist Jul 2014 #187

And so have you - TBF Jul 2014 #188

Ah yes, there's the broad brush. Right on time! The_Commonist Jul 2014 #193

Sadly I've had this disagreement with other men TBF Jul 2014 #196

I was a young boy in the 70's. The_Commonist Jul 2014 #201

what part of "her body, her choice" is too complicated for you? geek tragedy Jul 2014 #220

You're right, it's not a complicated concept! The_Commonist Jul 2014 #243

Autonomy does not mean geek tragedy Jul 2014 #253

Got it - I understand your question and TBF Jul 2014 #242

He has the right to an opinion, and it's her right to disagree with that opinion. catbyte Jul 2014 #244

How is a man relevant to the topic of a woman's autonomy over her own body? cyberswede Jul 2014 #194

I can't be specific. The_Commonist Jul 2014 #197

Seriously. If the woman doesn't want to be pregnant and give birth, there is no other way. The end. cyberswede Jul 2014 #200

your anti-choice buddy is a literal forced birther geek tragedy Jul 2014 #225

In a perfect world, hopefully a couple would discuss the possibility of an unplanned pregnancy smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #279

Obviously, men are irrelevant when a woman is deciding what to do with her body. Squinch Jul 2014 #262

I think the man in a relationship has a right to voice his opinion passiveporcupine Jul 2014 #214

And that's probably the most rational, reasonable thing said here so far. The_Commonist Jul 2014 #227

Are you fucking kidding me? Do you REALLY think that forced birth, abortion= catbyte Jul 2014 #257

hey now, we must be profoundly respectful to forced-birther misoynist trolls geek tragedy Jul 2014 #289

It's also interesting that these so-called male feminists call our opinions "hyperbole" catbyte Jul 2014 #297

keeo sweet, lol! catbyte Jul 2014 #298

This statement indicates a profound failure to understand pro-choice vs anti-choice geek tragedy Jul 2014 #288

To say to a man that they have NO right in the decision making process, just stfu,is perfectly fine. bravenak Jul 2014 #230

Took the words right out of my mouth in your header. Who the everloving fuck are these people? Squinch Jul 2014 #248

I shouldn't say cult members. I would never even think it's a cultish thing. Nope. bravenak Jul 2014 #249

What should we call such a thing? The religion of men who can't tell a woman from a breadbox, maybe? Squinch Jul 2014 #254

The Night's Watch? bravenak Jul 2014 #260

The man has no right to say whether or not the woman carries the pregnancy to term. StevieM Jul 2014 #300

I was talking about the right to force her to HAVE the child. bravenak Jul 2014 #301

Ok...point taken. (eom) StevieM Jul 2014 #302

Although i agree with you about the fathers having the right to co parent. bravenak Jul 2014 #304

I am glad that you and your husband are on solid ground. My brother and SIL's marriage StevieM Jul 2014 #308

I feel for you. bravenak Jul 2014 #309

Yeah, Commonist, We uppity "liberal feminists." How DARE we make our own decisions! catbyte Jul 2014 #251

This level of negativity and hyperbole... The_Commonist Jul 2014 #267

This was an eye opening post. bravenak Jul 2014 #270

My wife and I are about to sit down to dinner. The_Commonist Jul 2014 #274

Thank you. bravenak Jul 2014 #275

OK, so we had a nice dinner, a nice conversation... The_Commonist Jul 2014 #345

Your answer makes lots of sense. bravenak Jul 2014 #347

there is no honest discussion to be had as to whether a man can control a woman's body geek tragedy Jul 2014 #283

Seriously, there is nothing to discuss here. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #285

I used the term parasite because biologically that is what a fetus is. And I am not catbyte Jul 2014 #293

This was decided back in 1976 Bartlet Jul 2014 #326

I hope you fail your review tenderfoot Jul 2014 #211

well there's something being transferred in pregnancy. mwooldri Jul 2014 #284

Foolish response Bartlet Jul 2014 #320

I am not a fan of abortion. Who really is? LuckyTheDog Jul 2014 #335

pregnancy is not a blood transfusion or organ donation. AlbertCat Jul 2014 #354

That was worded perfectly RockaFowler Jul 2014 #4

Awesome response kwolf68 Jul 2014 #5

The pro-lifers will not be moved by this argument, so I think so much satisfaction over this Jenoch Jul 2014 #8

Who cares what they think? They are wrong. nt TBF Jul 2014 #51

Of course they are wrong. Jenoch Jul 2014 #102

I didn't post this thinking it would sway anyones opinion A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #107

You sort of missed, and then made my point. Jenoch Jul 2014 #109

Then "argument" was a poor choice of words. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #114

The stupidity in your post is believing there is an argument that would move pro-lifers. jeff47 Jul 2014 #131

Thank you for making my point for me. Jenoch Jul 2014 #344

That is really well thought out and well written Marrah_G Jul 2014 #9

K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Jul 2014 #12

+1. This notion of bodily autonomy has a lot of possibilities. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #42

Thank you LittleGirl Jul 2014 #57

You're welcome! n/t A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #108

Wow. That is an excellent point, and well illustrated! Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #58

Very good. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2014 #59

It is well written, but Sweet Freedom Jul 2014 #71

+1 BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #121

You're assuming the argument is intended to sway anti-choicers. jeff47 Jul 2014 #138

I have always attempted to sway the vote of anti choicers Sweet Freedom Jul 2014 #155

The "first breath" argument IS persuasive to fundies capable of thought. annabanana Jul 2014 #174

True Sweet Freedom Jul 2014 #182

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #85

"I personally do believe that life begins at conception." Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #92

Legally speaking no justanaverageguy Jul 2014 #110

I already answered this. Viability and/or birth. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #117

I rely on no such thing. justanaverageguy Jul 2014 #127

Why bring up 20 weeks if you're not talking about aborting after that date? Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #157

Where did I bring up 20 weeks????? justanaverageguy Jul 2014 #170

You: Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #173

Oh really??? gcomeau Jul 2014 #100

welcome back to DU, you haven't posted in over two months CreekDog Jul 2014 #106

Thank you.... justanaverageguy Jul 2014 #116

so you just happened to go on DU and deep within this thread decided to respond? CreekDog Jul 2014 #119

Typing as I chuckle a bit.... justanaverageguy Jul 2014 #148

yes, go on, you're too busy to know what goes on at DU CreekDog Jul 2014 #202

Amazing timing. nt TBF Jul 2014 #149

not amazing...simply coincidental nt justanaverageguy Jul 2014 #164

and the sun rises in the north niyad Jul 2014 #296

These 2 aren't fooling anyone - TBF Jul 2014 #331

you are so correct about them. and thank you for including that plank of the dem platform. niyad Jul 2014 #353

Life begins when the foetus can live outside the womb. PDJane Jul 2014 #120

I have no idea what Rabbinical law is....but I will Google it later LOL!! justanaverageguy Jul 2014 #130

Modern medicine can do nothing about some things. PDJane Jul 2014 #146

I agree with your last statement. justanaverageguy Jul 2014 #167

You too. Just as lost as your friend up thread. historylovr Jul 2014 #132

Maybe but you've picked the wrong question - TBF Jul 2014 #143

I think people are purposefully being too literal justanaverageguy Jul 2014 #160

I answered your question - TBF Jul 2014 #163

My feeling on that case, as a woman passiveporcupine Jul 2014 #222

She had been without oxygen for some time and there was reason to believe the fetus was damaged. LeftyMom Jul 2014 #234

I should have read up on the case before replying passiveporcupine Jul 2014 #240

You'd have to put that in writing before it happens - TBF Jul 2014 #238

Life began about 3.6 billion years ago. It hasn't stopped. jeff47 Jul 2014 #150

If you can work out one detail TNNurse Jul 2014 #96

Not really a difficult detail. Age of majority. Currently 18. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #152

Is it acceptable to be anti-choice on this forum? LexVegas Jul 2014 #99

Well, this is DEMOCRATIC Underground.... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #103

It shouldn't be. nt cyberswede Jul 2014 #104

If a man is advocating forcing a woman to carry a fetus to term, I think it shouldn't be acceptable. catbyte Jul 2014 #112

You're asking the wrong folks - TBF Jul 2014 #144

+1000 Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #159

Amen. nt DURHAM D Jul 2014 #219

I don't think so, the 2012 party platform is explicitly pro-choice steve2470 Jul 2014 #205

Yes, anti choicers are acceptable to a few here CreekDog Jul 2014 #263

Nope. Iggo Jul 2014 #310

Yes, but what does Hobby Lobby have to say about it? tclambert Jul 2014 #111

K & R doxydad Jul 2014 #139

The abortion issue is about a double standard felix_numinous Jul 2014 #141

And the poor women can just bleed out felix_numinous Jul 2014 #151

Ummmmm ...did you mean to respond to someone else? A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #333

This was meant as a general response felix_numinous Jul 2014 #355

Fabulous response! redstatebluegirl Jul 2014 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Jul 2014 #198

2012 Democratic Party Platform on choice steve2470 Jul 2014 #203

You should send this post straight to the admins - TBF Jul 2014 #239

ok good idea, I'll do that nt steve2470 Jul 2014 #247

Thanks for all the responses locks Jul 2014 #209

Thanks for thanking everybody for responding to my thread! A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #329

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2014 #246

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2014 #264

That is a serious and usually neglected argument, Vattel Jul 2014 #273

"Is it really just your body?" Ummmm... calimary Jul 2014 #286

K&R! smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #287

I tell pro-lifers that govt forcing women to give birth is communism ErikJ Jul 2014 #290

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #291

Beautiful darling. I love you. Arrive alive. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #305

Awwwwww! A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #306

IKR!! littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #307