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jeff47

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53. Sure it will. Who was on the bench determined that we invaded Iraq.

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:00 PM

Jul 2014

Different justices in 2000, and W isn't installed. And Iraq and Afghanistan aren't devastated.

Just because you aren't in the country any more does not mean the country can not have an effect on you.

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"Refusing to vote is NOT rebellion: [View all] riqster Jul 2014 OP

it means giving up the only power we have samsingh Jul 2014 #1

S'truth. And Red states are trying to take it away, bit by bit. riqster Jul 2014 #3

They first start trying to suppress votes as soon as a state turns purple. LLD Jul 2014 #74

They are trying to suppress blue votes. They're getting out the red vote. merrily Jul 2014 #93

Very true indeed. Which means we must bring out the blue vote. riqster Jul 2014 #95

I know it's true. I watched the IRS hearings on C-Span. merrily Jul 2014 #97

Watching it happen in Ohio. Turning a purple state red. riqster Jul 2014 #100

In great part, 2000 and 2004 used the gay marriage issue on merrily Jul 2014 #101

What I meant was that it is a continuous process that happens during and between elections. riqster Jul 2014 #105

Yes, and without sufficient resistance. merrily Jul 2014 #106

Oh, hellz yeah. The Ohio Dem party is worse than useless. riqster Jul 2014 #107

I didn't mean Ohio specifically. It's a pattern. merrily Jul 2014 #109

Apologies. It's my home state, and where most of my AFK activism is concentrated. riqster Jul 2014 #113

Not monomania and no apologies necessary. Au contraire. merrily Jul 2014 #114

It's rather baffling that you think this is "the only power you have" Scootaloo Jul 2014 #22

Those are indeed powerful tools. But the vote is far more potent. riqster Jul 2014 #23

And how do those tools actually cause an effect in our system? jeff47 Jul 2014 #48

In politics, though, money talks. merrily Jul 2014 #94

Money is used to get people to the polls. riqster Jul 2014 #98

It's used for far more than that. And the money that is used to merrily Jul 2014 #99

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2014 #2

+1 riqster Jul 2014 #4

Emma Goldman 2016 n/t leftstreet Jul 2014 #5

To stop me from going to the Voting Box.. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2014 #6

And that is also the only way TO stop me from voting. riqster Jul 2014 #18

It's also not activism. MineralMan Jul 2014 #7

Indeed. It's "passivism". riqster Jul 2014 #17

If voting doesn't matter, why is the GOP working so hard to stop people from voting? greatlaurel Jul 2014 #8

Just so. Republicans want to limit the exercise of the right to vote. riqster Jul 2014 #19

GOTV 2014 sheshe2 Jul 2014 #9

^^^THIS^^^ riqster Jul 2014 #20

I was baffled when Russel Brand tried to declare that refusing to vote IS rebellion. DetlefK Jul 2014 #10

And refusing to vote until our dream comes true, ensures continuing nightmares... freshwest Jul 2014 #12

Perfectly put: riqster Jul 2014 #16

+1 sheshe2 Jul 2014 #21

Why would anyone would take political advice from a guy who looks wasted most of the time? n/t winter is coming Jul 2014 #26

Same could be said of Boehner... riqster Jul 2014 #47

Yes, and he's just as entertaining, albeit not intentionally. n/t winter is coming Jul 2014 #87

First of all Russel Brand is not even an American yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #28

Voting is indeed different over there. riqster Jul 2014 #32

"everything we've ever dreamed of" LMFAO ...like Obama? L0oniX Jul 2014 #49

I never thought he'd be even close. riqster Jul 2014 #56

, blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #11

I had a roommate in college and later, a boss who both had never Jenoch Jul 2014 #13

Depending on the flavor of their apolitics, it is debatable. riqster Jul 2014 #24

What is debatable? Jenoch Jul 2014 #88

Whether we should assume that it's better for apolitical people to not vote. riqster Jul 2014 #91

Ok, then WHY is it debatable? Jenoch Jul 2014 #120

I read your post. I think we need to educate and engage. riqster Jul 2014 #121

Oh don't be mistaken. Jenoch Jul 2014 #122

Yep. Rule Twelve: "There are some people you just can't help." riqster Jul 2014 #123

K & R. GOTV, DU FSogol Jul 2014 #14

Article on apolitical Americans: riqster Jul 2014 #15

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That's what primaries are for. To get the candidates we want. riqster Jul 2014 #29

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Me too. General or primary. riqster Jul 2014 #37

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So many died, and were beaten to a pulp Peacetrain Jul 2014 #27

I hear ya. riqster Jul 2014 #30

I offer ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #59

I daresay you're right. riqster Jul 2014 #61

So very, very true. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #67

I live in Maryland. Whether I vote will not make a difference. Vattel Jul 2014 #31

Bull-fucking-shit. Sorry, but that is absolute rot. riqster Jul 2014 #35

Sometimes we can predict the future, or so common sense would dictate. Vattel Jul 2014 #38

Common sense is an oxymoron. riqster Jul 2014 #39

I understand Maryland.. My son lives there.. but you miss a large point Peacetrain Jul 2014 #40

good point Vattel Jul 2014 #58

Your ballot has more than one race on it. jeff47 Jul 2014 #51

true, some of the more local races are not as predictable. Vattel Jul 2014 #57

Nonsense. You don't have a governor? A state legislature? Local school boards? City councils? arcane1 Jul 2014 #78

I was thinking more of presidential and congressional elections, but you are right. Vattel Jul 2014 #86

And those local races affect your daily life more often than congress does. Plus, they redistrict stevenleser Jul 2014 #118

Exactly!! arcane1 Jul 2014 #119

Not voting is idiotic liberal N proud Jul 2014 #33

They screw us over by their inaction. riqster Jul 2014 #36

Foist a bad candidate on us and we must vote for them. Let us know how that works out for ya. L0oniX Jul 2014 #41

Fail to vote and you will get the worse of two evils. riqster Jul 2014 #43

That fear tactic is not going to work this time. L0oniX Jul 2014 #45

Fear, schmear. Let's talk facts. riqster Jul 2014 #60

Hell can freeze over ...and I will not vote for Hillary. L0oniX Jul 2014 #69

So I'll mark you down as "surrender", then. riqster Jul 2014 #70

Surrender to the corporate candidate then. Enjoy. L0oniX Jul 2014 #71

You'd rather roll over and enable the worst evil to triumph? riqster Jul 2014 #72

Your trying to force people to vote for someone they don't want in office. L0oniX Jul 2014 #75

Force, schmorce. Quit acting like you're being bullied. riqster Jul 2014 #77

Maybe you should try a different tact instead of forcing your "surrender" label crap on people. L0oniX Jul 2014 #81

I write my way. Other people write their way. riqster Jul 2014 #92

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If you don't vote for the Dem, you help the Repubs win. riqster Jul 2014 #79

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Does the candidate have to earn the vote at all? Deny and Shred Jul 2014 #84

I vote against Repubs. riqster Jul 2014 #90

It is a sad state of affairs Deny and Shred Jul 2014 #102

Sad indeed. We need to be more engaged in the primary process. riqster Jul 2014 #104

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Mine is a vote that has been cast for the benefit of the 99%. riqster Jul 2014 #137

You are not afraid of Republicans in office? treestar Jul 2014 #131

Then vote for a better candidate in the primary. jeff47 Jul 2014 #55

Should be an OP. riqster Jul 2014 #63

+1000000000000 LadyHawkAZ Jul 2014 #83

Now just add billionaire cash infusions and party insiders organizing to the left and you might TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #129

You'd have a point if the Republicans only changed after Citizen's United. jeff47 Jul 2014 #136

Why do you think I'm not voting in the primaries? I'm about rock solid a voter as you get. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #139

As to write-in candidates; riqster Jul 2014 #141

Nothing helps Repubs more than implementation of their failed policies TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #143

Which happens far more often, the more of them there are in office. riqster Jul 2014 #144

Seems to happen with regularity regardless of who is in office though sometimes TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #145

I still say that Dems are better than Teapubbies. riqster Jul 2014 #146

I don't especially disagree with better but there is a more dangerous factor to be deeply concerned TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #147

I voted once or twice before 2008 LittleGirl Jul 2014 #42

Look at the Supreme Court. Five justices from Repubs. riqster Jul 2014 #44

Yes that's true LittleGirl Jul 2014 #46

Sure it will. Who was on the bench determined that we invaded Iraq. jeff47 Jul 2014 #53

Possibly. America has done a lot of damage around the world, though. riqster Jul 2014 #54

Richard said, "Withdrawal in disgust is not the same as apathy." lightcameron Jul 2014 #50

At the ballot box, the impact is the same. riqster Jul 2014 #65

I disagree Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #52

I wouldn't mind so much if SANE Repubs voted. riqster Jul 2014 #68

after voting for over 40 years, i've seen little positive change noiretextatique Jul 2014 #62

I've seen lots of negative change. Caused mostly by Repub victories. riqster Jul 2014 #66

mostly...but not all noiretextatique Jul 2014 #124

True. But enabling the greater evil is anathema to me. riqster Jul 2014 #125

agreed noiretextatique Jul 2014 #126

We can change going forward by working harder in the primaries riqster Jul 2014 #127

agreed again eom noiretextatique Jul 2014 #128

Neither is voting for the status quo or politics-as-usual. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #64

That's exactly how the non-voting dumb-asses think: rebellion. arcane1 Jul 2014 #76

Yep. They forget how badly it's worked in the past. riqster Jul 2014 #112

Not voting is giving Teapublicans tacit permission Vogon_Glory Jul 2014 #85

More annoying than Dentrassis, eh? riqster Jul 2014 #111

It's stupidity. Owl Jul 2014 #89

That, too. riqster Jul 2014 #110

I never understand the no voting strategy. merrily Jul 2014 #96

Kick! Great line. I am going to steal it. Squinch Jul 2014 #103

As did I. riqster Jul 2014 #108

People who don't vote do so out of apathy. It's not 'to make a statement' it is the opposite of that Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #115

Refusing to vote is stupid and counterproductive. nt. Rex Jul 2014 #116

Yep. riqster Jul 2014 #117

I loved George Carlin as a comedian. He was a GENIUS at comedy. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #130

With people refusing to vote, Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #132

A good point. riqster Jul 2014 #133

For all those LWolf Jul 2014 #134

"I always vote. No matter what. Even if my choices are so rank that I have to write someone in." riqster Jul 2014 #138

Perhaps those not mentally equipped to see this aren't up to the task of hughee99 Jul 2014 #140

or it's simply not finding a candidate worthy of voting for. cali Jul 2014 #142