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Starry Messenger

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53. I get so tired of people acting like history happened in a vacuum.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 05:38 PM
Jul 2014

It was only three years ago that that left-wing rag, the NYtimes, explained what we'd done in just Guatemala. I haven't even brought up Honduras yet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/04/opinion/04schlesinger.html?_r=0



IN 1954, the American government committed one of the most reprehensible acts in its history when it authorized the C.I.A. to overthrow the democratically elected leader of Guatemala, President Jacobo Arbenz. It did so secretly but later rationalized the coup on the ground that the country was about to fall into communist hands.

Guatemalan society has only recently recovered from the suffering that this intervention caused, including brutal military dictatorships and a genocidal civil war against its Indian population, which led to the deaths of an estimated 200,000 people. Only in the 1980s, when a peace process commenced, did democratic governance resume. But a silence about the Arbenz era continued.

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The covert American assault destroyed any possibility that Guatemala’s fragile political and civic institutions might grow. It permanently stunted political life. And the destruction of Guatemala’s democracy also set back the cause of free elections in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Honduras — all of which drew the lesson that Washington was more interested in unquestioning allies than democratic ones. It was only after the cold war and a United Nations-negotiated peace deal with leftist guerrillas in 1996 that genuine democracy began to take hold in Guatemala. And even since then, the cycle of violence and lawlessness unleashed by the 1954 coup has continued.

In 1998, an assassin bludgeoned to death the Catholic bishop Juan Gerardi shortly after he issued a damning report blaming the army for widespread massacres. In 2007, Guatemala had the world’s third-highest homicide rate, according to a United Nations-World Bank study. In 2009, more civilians were murdered in Guatemala than were killed in the war zones of Iraq.

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I wonder how many people on this thread whining about taking care of 58,000 chiidren eat Chiquita bananas without wondering how they got here?

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The only thing we can do is give them shelter. In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #1
Yes we can. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #56
True... daleanime Jul 2014 #79
Could we help those kids if we changed our priorities a bit? el_bryanto Jul 2014 #2
You don't know? REALLY?! WinkyDink Jul 2014 #35
Yes I really don't know. Also I'm an idiot. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #55
No, you're not an idiot. Our priorities are fucked. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #57
They should stay. We would have plenty of money if we don't start the war again in Iraq. mucifer Jul 2014 #3
Honestly, how many thousands can the system handle? B2G Jul 2014 #5
Setting a precedent? Sounds like a Santorum style of argumentation. alp227 Jul 2014 #7
There are alot of Democrats concerned as well. B2G Jul 2014 #10
Good, now do we show them..... daleanime Jul 2014 #80
How about passing the Senate passed immigration bill? Blame the GOP, not children, surprisingly to Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #15
That's right. They should not be treated as undocumented immigrants and deported, Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #59
They should be processed according to law and they are. Now the GOP wants to change the law, at Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #74
The poster makes a good point. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #29
You're definitely right that America should pick & choose its immigrants, alp227 Jul 2014 #30
Legal immigration should be made easier, not harder. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #60
I'd rather save people - kids, old people, young people etc TBF Jul 2014 #43
As if treating people right is based on how "cute" they are? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #77
Cute Little Kids otohara Jul 2014 #83
There's no easy answer. I certainly don't have one. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #4
First, find the relatives they were sent here to meet Warpy Jul 2014 #6
This. Skidmore Jul 2014 #18
YES. nt LWolf Jul 2014 #23
Exactly. N/t politicat Jul 2014 #76
Most people don't realize how rich the US is. GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #8
Exactly, the country is rich but the distribution has always been piss poor Warpy Jul 2014 #21
Exactly - TBF Jul 2014 #46
We can't even take care of the people who are already here LittleBlue Jul 2014 #9
How much $ did US interests make by propping up the Guatemalan dictator, Ríos Montt? Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #11
That doesn't answer the original question. nt B2G Jul 2014 #12
Yes it does. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #17
You have to spell it out - TBF Jul 2014 #47
I get so tired of people acting like history happened in a vacuum. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #53
Go to 26:38 minutes kiva Jul 2014 #62
Thanks kiva, marking to watch later. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #72
+1 !! exactly lunasun Jul 2014 #81
Yes. the US has a responsibility to these kids because it has intervened politically Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #14
We find financial sponsors for them while they are here, and we also SoCalDem Jul 2014 #13
What can you do? cheapdate Jul 2014 #16
I have no idea, beyond attending to their immediate needs. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #19
Start by being a humanitarian and respond accordingly. Skidmore Jul 2014 #20
They build camps, godforsaken camps. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #36
I think we should give them shelter madokie Jul 2014 #22
It isn't that simple. Do we all of a sudden find teachers to hire, more classrooms somewhere? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #37
Yes, it is that simple jeff47 Jul 2014 #39
We can make do, right now madokie Jul 2014 #44
50-75,000 children. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #24
+1 million Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #63
Thank you: Raine1967 Jul 2014 #70
Sterilize women blueamy66 Jul 2014 #25
That sounds very knee-jerk and extreme. Quantess Jul 2014 #42
Was a joke blueamy66 Jul 2014 #82
Our system in not overtaxed. Our millionaires are UNDER taxed CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #26
^ this. nt TBF Jul 2014 #48
First off quit calling them "illegal immigrants". MindPilot Jul 2014 #27
Exactly. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #64
They should be fostered EC Jul 2014 #28
Where are the kids getting the money for these crossings? dilby Jul 2014 #31
^^^ this hardcover Jul 2014 #54
Well, America has found ways to absorb Puritans, Slaves, the Irish, Italians, Jews, etc... Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #32
Yeah, good examples. Not. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #38
Wow. nt TBF Jul 2014 #50
As soon as they figure out a way to exploit these kids madokie Jul 2014 #51
They need to be evaluated for public health concerns elfin Jul 2014 #33
IKR? Do we build orphanages? Do we fast-track foster care/adoptions? School systems are for sure WinkyDink Jul 2014 #34
You've been very helpful in this thread. TBF Jul 2014 #52
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. jeff47 Jul 2014 #40
True. As I said, legal immigration should be made easier, not harder. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #65
Right Lurker Deluxe Jul 2014 #68
So what should be done about these kids? jeff47 Jul 2014 #71
Follow the law that we have treestar Jul 2014 #41
I recommend that a list of children be sent to Latino networks in LA, NYC and other areas. ancianita Jul 2014 #45
DU: ask a single positive question, get a million normative answers. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #49
Umm.....I'm not sure what you mean by "normative". Could you explain, please? nt AverageJoe90 Jul 2014 #58
It was empty snark. A "what should be done" question is asking for "normative" responses. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #73
Reach out to Latino activist organizations like La Raza. ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #61
It's a terrible situation, without any good solutions. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #66
Maybe Rainngirl Jul 2014 #67
Give them food, shelter, clothing, medical care, and an education. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #69
Find out if they have any family here that can take them in Marrah_G Jul 2014 #75
If people step up to take them in flamingdem Jul 2014 #78
We've ruined their countries with NAFTA and the drug war. alarimer Jul 2014 #84
Wrong. Our system is fucking UNDERtaxed, and the issue almost entirely political... Orsino Jul 2014 #85
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