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Cowboy Dan

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143. Sorry, FE.

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:42 PM

Apr 2012

Sorry, FE, you're wrong.

"we both know that most gun deaths are accidental and we have a teenager and a small child. " Most gun deaths are suicides, followed closest by homicides.

From the Center for Disease Control's 2009 mortality report:

Total deaths by firearms: 31,347

Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms (X72-X74) 18,735

Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms 11,493

Legal intervention 395

Discharge of firearms, undetermined intent (Y22-Y24) 232

Operations of war and their sequelae 25

As you see, FE, the undetermined intent category is a small subset of all the firearms related deaths, (0.007401%).

Whether you choose to have guns in your home is a decision for you and your family. I respect your decision, although I doubt we will ever meet. I have friends and family members who choose not to have firearms; that's their business, not mine.

We have had guns in our home since our children were in diapers, and we have had no firearms incidents in or around our home. Rather than hide our guns and make them mysteries to be explored, we showed our children our firearms and taught them basic rules of firearms safety. Two of the three shoot quite well; the third has no interest in guns. I am glad for you that you have never felt the need to carry a weapon. May you, in many years, die peacefully in your own bed.

I have been in some situations where a firearm in my hands might have turned things out differently. I worked in corrections and carried a gun for years on and off duty. I only once felt the need to draw it from its holster. I didn't have to shoot anyone, and the situation resolved somewhat peaceably. Had the other parties acted differently, I would have been justified in using deadly force and would have been found non-culpable by my agency. I don't believe the State's Attorney would have even considered filing any charges.

I will, when I can legally do so, carry again.

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Zimmerman claims he was on his way to Target when he spotted Trayvon. So why did he need a gun? [View all] Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 OP

Because it's called Target? n/t Ian David Apr 2012 #1

It was a News edit error. CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #16

Whatever Zimmerman claims to have been doing Mz Pip Apr 2012 #2

I dont think he was specifically looking for a fight. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #7

The last thing I would do Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #22

How many times have you called 911 in the last year? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #68

He could be a little more relaxed with them than I would be. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #73

Concealed carry is legal. Indydem Apr 2012 #3

He was not licensed to carry as a neighborhood watch person Nancy Waterman Apr 2012 #5

Do not confuse the issues. Indydem Apr 2012 #9

When did "neighborhood watch" program start requiring any permitting at all? ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #10

It doesn't. trof Apr 2012 #111

Yeah, there is something crazy about it gratuitous Apr 2012 #14

You are entitled to your opinion. Indydem Apr 2012 #17

You're welcome gratuitous Apr 2012 #19

A majority of Americans still think Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. tledford Apr 2012 #86

Unless you live in a free-fire zone, carrying a gun in public pnwmom Apr 2012 #43

I'll agree it's legal... but I may differ on the "crazy." Fawke Em Apr 2012 #57

If we're basing things on probabilities.... krispos42 Apr 2012 #115

I have NEVER bought a lottery ticket. Fawke Em Apr 2012 #129

Actually higher than being a CCW hero nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #130

Sorry, FE. Cowboy Dan Apr 2012 #143

Sorry, but you're more wrong. Fawke Em Apr 2012 #156

Theres black people wearing hoodies at Target. Better bring a gun. nt HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #4

He was on his way to target Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #6

Actually what he said was "I was out looking for a target" ... nt eppur_se_muova Apr 2012 #8

You must have never checked in to our gun forum (RKBA)... Those with CCW think they should be able hlthe2b Apr 2012 #11

Violence doesn't happen at these places? vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #15

Seatbelts aren't capable of killing other people when mishandled. Arkana Apr 2012 #18

You are mistaken slackmaster Apr 2012 #21

They save lives, just as concield carried guns do. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #23

there is simply no way that "concield" is a typo. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #31

It was. It has been a long Monday. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #60

Argue that in the gun forum. I am only stating a fact. hlthe2b Apr 2012 #24

Sorry, I thought you asked a question. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #26

That question was in the opening post of the thread NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #33

Sorry that was my mistake. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #36

In generally safe places, you or your children are more likely to be wounded or killed by accident pnwmom Apr 2012 #44

Stats, please. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #138

Why bother? Every time I post the Harvard researcher's stats, someone pops up to dispute them. But pnwmom Apr 2012 #140

So essentially they want no places that are gun-free Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #28

No you are not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #59

I carry my gun where ever i go with one or two exceptions. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #12

I always carry my gun when going to the toilet. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #30

Alligators are no joke! vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #34

Seriously you realize a hand gun, even large calliber nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #65

I know but a toilet alligator would be pretty small. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #74

Better spend sometime watching Swamp People Hangingon Apr 2012 #121

I know that a .22 will do but overkill is better than underkill when it comes to gators. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #122

Prefered s an M-1 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #123

here toy go vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #124

Garand nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #125

I have never seen a Garand on the show. Hangingon Apr 2012 #134

So admittedly we have watched a different show nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #135

They use 22 rimfires Meiko Apr 2012 #144

Yup, different shows. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #145

*sigh* zappaman Apr 2012 #147

Those Garands were self-deleted by the hunter. nt Codeine Apr 2012 #157

If he had a CCW in Florida, he could bring his "security blankie" anywhere HockeyMom Apr 2012 #13

"security blankie" Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2012 #75

hey, never underestimate someone with a towel... JHB Apr 2012 #137

You can't go anywhere without a gun. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #20

Unfortunately, people do carry their guns to Target, parks, restaurants, and they want the right to Hoyt Apr 2012 #25

If bad guys would follow the law, I wouldnt need/want to carry everywhere. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #35

yeah you would. Alligators. How soon you forget. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #45

Like Zimmy? eom uppityperson Apr 2012 #47

Welcome to DU. I've know a bunch of folks who carry guns, they'd still do it if there were no crime. Hoyt Apr 2012 #51

You know what amazes me about this argument? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #62

I have no desire to be a hero. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #77

Please do the math. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #78

thank you for your service. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #88

Are you familiar with escalation of force? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #89

I am familiar with the escalation of force. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #93

But we are having this discussion because of Zimmerman. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #96

Having worked in Florida K-12 Public schools HockeyMom Apr 2012 #108

Your absolutely right because crime never happens in a Target, a park ... spin Apr 2012 #94

And quite honestly my chances to give first aid nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #105

True. Crime is way down despite the spread of concealed carry ... spin Apr 2012 #116

Since you brought it up nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #118

can you back that up??? belcffub Apr 2012 #127

Yup, and the source is ironic. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #128

ok so looking over that article belcffub Apr 2012 #131

and how many of those justifiable homicides were law enforcement belcffub Apr 2012 #133

He's a coward who takes a gun everywhere. DevonRex Apr 2012 #27

Are you a coward if you have a fire extinguisher or wear a seat belt? vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #37

nah... I bring gasoline with me instead fascisthunter Apr 2012 #40

Fire extinguishers and seat belts don't accidentally kill children and other innocent people. pnwmom Apr 2012 #46

If I had a nickel for every screwup DevonRex Apr 2012 #49

Ok vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #56

My god what a fantasy nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #64

I dont see it as a fantasy more like a nightmare. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #72

What, the non existent wounds? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #80

My point is that if IF IF IF he was correct. Im 99% sure he wasnt. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #90

I have been in those very rare situations nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #91

thats why i said i would vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #95

4- follow through if you are serious nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #97

Ummm, yeah.... PavePusher Apr 2012 #139

Yikes! zappaman Apr 2012 #148

3 days, no reply..... PavePusher Apr 2012 #155

ABC enhanced the video and it showed gashes on the back of Zimmerman's head... spin Apr 2012 #101

I am betting an old wound nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #102

True... spin Apr 2012 #103

The problem is the tape blew howitzer sized holes nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #104

It will indeed be interesting to follow ... spin Apr 2012 #117

The law itself is already, rightly so, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #119

My brother carries a gun to his work place at night when closing chowder66 Apr 2012 #79

Protect ME? Don't make me fucking laugh. DevonRex Apr 2012 #81

Im not vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #100

Another Tim in OKC was a blast. DevonRex Apr 2012 #106

Im sorry about your friends. I'm a blsat was a poor attempt at humor. vr94rx7 Apr 2012 #109

It's okay. DevonRex Apr 2012 #110

I just knew it......... TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #54

because it is Very Important for Hollywood Cowboys to be armed and dangerous at all times. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #29

Maybe he was a mall cop wannabe too? Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #32

self delete snagglepuss Apr 2012 #38

And so....? What does that have to do with stalking and murdering somebody fascisthunter Apr 2012 #39

Yes when I first read that, I wondered about it also. I wondered why he was behaving as if sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #41

If you live in a state that allows concealed weapons and don't assume the guy next to you onenote Apr 2012 #42

For all we know, Zimmerman, a Democrat, has been on DU arguing for the right pnwmom Apr 2012 #48

I just saw on another thread that he's a Republican. mainer Apr 2012 #66

Dad, none, that I am aware off, has brought George's party affiliation. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #69

His supporters use his Democratic affiliation to argue that he isn't a racist. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #85

Southern Dixiecrat? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #87

CNN says he's a registered Democrat. pnwmom Apr 2012 #83

He needed a gun because he is a paranoid freak. alarimer Apr 2012 #50

Well, that's one. Gimme another. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #55

My question is what did he see (or claim to see) Martin doing Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #52

he saw Martin being BLACK YUTE. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #53

True...I just want to read Zimmerman's "official" statement from that night Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #58

Exactly Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #61

I heard one time Politicalboi Apr 2012 #63

I carry a gun pretty much whenever I leave the house .... oldhippie Apr 2012 #67

Again nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #70

You keep saying that - care to provide some actual facts? nt hack89 Apr 2012 #76

X2 kramerv Apr 2012 #114

Suffice it to say... zappaman Apr 2012 #149

Yes, I do. Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2012 #142

I carry eveywhere I go. No big deal. shadowrider Apr 2012 #71

They carry guns everywhere, like imaginary medieval knights with their swords alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #82

He was on his way to hold it up. eom tledford Apr 2012 #84

Yes. Some people with carry permits do carry on a regular basis ... spin Apr 2012 #92

Because, in the sick world of gun hero wannabees - the opportunity for gun heroism is everywhere jpak Apr 2012 #98

Wow kramerv Apr 2012 #113

...because! Ya Never knowwwwwww! fascisthunter Apr 2012 #99

George can try to convince a jury that he carries a weapon to go to target Marrah_G Apr 2012 #107

Of course he took a gun to Target. He wanted to be sure to get double value on his coupons. n/t gkhouston Apr 2012 #112

Because of their low low prices Aerows Apr 2012 #120

if you need a gun to go to Target riverwalker Apr 2012 #126

Maybe you didn't hear the whole sentence: "I was on my way to target....suspicious-looking people." ScottLand Apr 2012 #132

He's saying this to protect the Homeowner's Association and his friends within it from lawsuits. E-Z-B Apr 2012 #136

Paranoia. nt onehandle Apr 2012 #141

That's CCW for you. I don't get it, but whatever. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #146

As a former cop I get it actually nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #150

I guess in that limited situation it might make sense. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #151

I could have qualified nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #153

A former cop who is "a really bad shot"? Codeine Apr 2012 #158

I was a cop too. zappaman Apr 2012 #154

You are a former cop? From where? I've never heard you mention that before. SlimJimmy Apr 2012 #159

To be fair, Codeine Apr 2012 #160

That's a pretty heavy claim she's making. I'd like details. SlimJimmy Apr 2012 #161

The only details we'll get are snarky comments about Ignore lists and Codeine Apr 2012 #162

+100 and a kick n/t zappaman Apr 2012 #163

Never roam alone. ileus Apr 2012 #152