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Zalatix

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60. You cited irrelevant crap. You even admit we stopped making TVs

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:18 PM

Apr 2012

but your cite shows nothing about what replaced those TV-making jobs.

In fact all we've done is replace high-paying manufacturing jobs with low-paying crap jobs.

You said 11 million jobs were created, but you intentionally avoided the fact that these were mainly LOW PAYING jobs that replaced HIGH PAYING jobs.

This has been true in the recent recession:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/higher-paying-jobs-lost-but-lower-paying-jobs-gained/

And before the recession:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/employment/2004-06-29-jobs_x.htm

And in the 1980s:
http://voices.yahoo.com/the-economy-1980s-similar-7951134.html
http://economics.mit.edu/files/1474

http://www.emayzine.com/lectures/1980S.htm

And finally, the biggest error in your argument? 40 million jobs from 1978 to 2012? Think again. In that period we saw a growth of 80 million people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_census

Twice as many people entered the workforce during that time than jobs! So in reality NET job growth has been NEGATIVE.

I challenge you outright to show us how 40 million jobs gained is greater than an increase of 80 million people.

Show us that high paying jobs were NOT replaced by low-paying jobs.

You, sir, have a basic math problem.

NEXT?

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So, fans of free trade, how does shipping jobs out of America create jobs for America? [View all] Zalatix Apr 2012 OP

better question is... how are the invested in outsourcing fascisthunter Apr 2012 #1

That's what corporations have done to f**k up our country, and why our country is in this Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #2

a better question is, why do members of the Democratic party accept this bart95 Apr 2012 #3

That's the only question for me. xchrom Apr 2012 #5

'the party of labor' bart95 Apr 2012 #7

The best question: Why isn't government wearing the blame? badtoworse Apr 2012 #4

Because nearly everybody in both parties did this to us and they knew exactly Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #67

What difference does it make that both parties did it? It's still the government's fault badtoworse Apr 2012 #68

I really ProSense Apr 2012 #6

But this isn't the WWII era when the infrastructures of Japan and Europe lay in ruins..... marmar Apr 2012 #8

So? That doesn't entitle them to American jobs. Zalatix Apr 2012 #9

Who said it did? ...... I was responding to the post right above mine. marmar Apr 2012 #10

it wasnt a straw man bart95 Apr 2012 #11

So ProSense Apr 2012 #12

a single issue that was never really tested bart95 Apr 2012 #14

i noticed your subtle change of wording bart95 Apr 2012 #16

"Reciprocal" or as Jefferson said, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #23

It doesn't, and even the pro free-traders know it Populist_Prole Apr 2012 #13

False choice KurtNYC Apr 2012 #15

'contractors'? you mean like IT contractors? replacement has been MASSIVE bart95 Apr 2012 #17

Were Hondas made in the USA 35 years ago?? KurtNYC Apr 2012 #21

A failure? We still have tons of programmers in India servicing the US market Zalatix Apr 2012 #30

"IT contractors for American firms work HERE" - not all of them IDemo Apr 2012 #32

No, but TVs, clothing, shoes, appliances, toys, and just about every other consumer product were Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #34

Totally off-topic. Zalatix Apr 2012 #18

'It could have been made here, using American workers' bart95 Apr 2012 #19

It should be made here again. Zalatix Apr 2012 #20

I named 15 jobs that produce things that don't come from China KurtNYC Apr 2012 #22

Your response shows you didn't read my question, so DO NOT lecture me about research. Zalatix Apr 2012 #24

I read your question -- It is bogus. KurtNYC Apr 2012 #25

Your answer is bogus Hugabear Apr 2012 #28

It is not bogus. You once again did not read. I did put a question mark after it. Zalatix Apr 2012 #29

in your post 24 there was no question mark KurtNYC Apr 2012 #51

HAHAHAHAHA seriously, "how often do you beat your wife?" Zalatix Apr 2012 #52

I cited facts KurtNYC Apr 2012 #59

You cited irrelevant crap. You even admit we stopped making TVs Zalatix Apr 2012 #60

Perhaps a gain of 11 million net jobs is "irrelevant crap" to you KurtNYC Apr 2012 #61

Your argument just keeps taking on more holes. Zalatix Apr 2012 #62

Good luck with putting toddlers to work on your revived AMC Pacer assembly line KurtNYC Apr 2012 #63

As nicely as I can say this, Zalatix Apr 2012 #64

Housing? Really? Hugabear Apr 2012 #27

And has "sulfur" in the middle IDemo Apr 2012 #33

As of April 2009 Lowe's and Home Depot stopped selling Chinese drywall KurtNYC Apr 2012 #39

Wrong about X-rays Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #35

Speaking of video games... Hugabear Apr 2012 #37

Xbox is made in Brazil KurtNYC Apr 2012 #40

But not in the U.S.--that's the point Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #42

the games themselves are made her and sold here KurtNYC Apr 2012 #46

Blizzard is owned by Vivendi, which is a French company Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #49

ahh...but the jobs are still in Irvine KurtNYC Apr 2012 #54

Vivendi PURCHASED Blizzard Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #58

Fucking bullshit. Hugabear Apr 2012 #26

I'm sorry that happened to you and your wife. Zalatix Apr 2012 #38

Jobs making iPods, cell phones, solar panels, LEDs, video projectors, KurtNYC Apr 2012 #41

Still talking out of your ass Hugabear Apr 2012 #43

Ironic that you should use the phrase "Jobs making iPods" with respect to Chinese labour. (NT) Heywood J Apr 2012 #44

I used to work 14 and 16 hour days and KurtNYC Apr 2012 #47

Because tariffs aren't enough, we need to go further. Zalatix Apr 2012 #65

do you directly benefit from outsourcing American Labor? fascisthunter Apr 2012 #31

I bet he does--or else he's real young and truly does not realize Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #36

+1 Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #55

Betting that is a YES! SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #45

I have outsourced my DU posting to China, here is the answer (which cost me only 18-cents): KurtNYC Apr 2012 #48

But you haven't answered the question Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #50

Probably. Zalatix Apr 2012 #53

I'm right here. I can hear you guys. KurtNYC Apr 2012 #56

Yup, we know that. The problem is nobody's buying what you're selling. We all see right through it. Zalatix Apr 2012 #57

Isn't 'free trade' an oxymoron? Rex Apr 2012 #66

"Trickle Down" was a scam. KansDem Apr 2012 #69

Ask Robert Reich; he was all for NAFTA as Clinton's Sec'y of Labor, closeupready Apr 2012 #70

Better question is who is going to fund Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.? NNN0LHI Apr 2012 #71

Excellent point Populist_Prole Apr 2012 #72