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67. You can be both an agnostic and an atheist.

Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:33 AM

Jul 2014

As am I, and as I believe most atheists are. Agnosticism and atheism are two different things. Agnostic (not knowing) and atheism (not believing) are mutually compatible. I am an agnostic atheist, in that I don't believe there is a god or gods and that I believe that we can (probably) never know whether there is one or not. Your brother, then, would be a gnostic atheist. He would believe that that there is not a god and that that position can be definitively proven. You sound like me, another agnostic atheist (correct me if I'm wrong), who does not believe in a god but also believes that it can't be proven either way. Being an atheist doesn't imply absolutism.

Just a clarification, and other than that, I agree with your post. There's a whole lot of grey in this world.

On edit, I'd like to say that I used to think the exact same thing. However, I now refer to myself as atheist and not agnostic.

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