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In reply to the discussion: If she's elected I fear she'll bomb something immediately to prove she's Tough Enough [View all]Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)59. Not like she doesn't have a record.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/hillary_clinton_flaunts_her_surveillance_state_baggage_20140707
Who is the true patriot, Hillary Clinton or Edward Snowden? The question comes up because Clinton has gone all out in attacking Snowden as a means of burnishing her hawkish credentials, eliciting Glenn Greenwalds comment that she is like a neocon, practically.
On Friday in England, Clinton boasted that two years ago she had favored a proposal by a top British general to train 100,000 moderate rebels to overthrow the Assad regime in Syria, but President Obama had turned her down. The American Thatcher? In that same interview with The Guardian she also managed to get in yet another shot against Snowden for taking refuge in Russia apparently under Putins protection, unless, she taunted, he wishes to return knowing he would be held accountable.
Accountable for telling the truth that Clinton concealed during her tenure as secretary of state in the Obama administration? Did she approve of the systematic spying on the American people as well as on others around the world, including the leaders of Germany and Brazil, or did she first learn of all this from the Snowden revelations?
On Saturday, a carefully vetted four-month investigation by The Washington Post based on material made available by Snowden revealed that while Clinton was in the government, the NSA had collected a vast trove of often intimate Internet correspondence and photos of innocent Americans, including many users of Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and other leading Internet companies. The Post reported many files described as useless by the [NSA] analysts but nonetheless retained ... have a voyeuristic quality. They tell stories of love and heartbreak, illicit sexual liaisons, mental-health crises, political and religious conversions, financial anxieties and disappointed hopes.
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Who is the true patriot, Hillary Clinton or Edward Snowden? The question comes up because Clinton has gone all out in attacking Snowden as a means of burnishing her hawkish credentials, eliciting Glenn Greenwalds comment that she is like a neocon, practically.
On Friday in England, Clinton boasted that two years ago she had favored a proposal by a top British general to train 100,000 moderate rebels to overthrow the Assad regime in Syria, but President Obama had turned her down. The American Thatcher? In that same interview with The Guardian she also managed to get in yet another shot against Snowden for taking refuge in Russia apparently under Putins protection, unless, she taunted, he wishes to return knowing he would be held accountable.
Accountable for telling the truth that Clinton concealed during her tenure as secretary of state in the Obama administration? Did she approve of the systematic spying on the American people as well as on others around the world, including the leaders of Germany and Brazil, or did she first learn of all this from the Snowden revelations?
On Saturday, a carefully vetted four-month investigation by The Washington Post based on material made available by Snowden revealed that while Clinton was in the government, the NSA had collected a vast trove of often intimate Internet correspondence and photos of innocent Americans, including many users of Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and other leading Internet companies. The Post reported many files described as useless by the [NSA] analysts but nonetheless retained ... have a voyeuristic quality. They tell stories of love and heartbreak, illicit sexual liaisons, mental-health crises, political and religious conversions, financial anxieties and disappointed hopes.
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If she's elected I fear she'll bomb something immediately to prove she's Tough Enough [View all]
elehhhhna
Jul 2014
OP
Not really bothered. You clearly state the fact, right below this subthread.
MineralMan
Jul 2014
#18
I'm not demanding anything. You refusal to answer my question stands. We're all adults here. nt
ChisolmTrailDem
Jul 2014
#94
I will self-delete nearly every post I make that I feel may be alterted on by anyone out
ChisolmTrailDem
Jul 2014
#96
It wasn't you I was worried about. I know your policy on alerting. There are others
ChisolmTrailDem
Jul 2014
#98
If she wins the Primary and you DON'T vote for her....YOU sir or madame are no Democrat...
VanillaRhapsody
Jul 2014
#63
So you are outright right here and now admitting you WON'T vote for her if she wins the Primary?
VanillaRhapsody
Jul 2014
#64
Not hypothetical at all....IF you won't vote for the winner of the Primary....whomever that is...
VanillaRhapsody
Jul 2014
#117
neither can I....it just cannot come soon enough for me.....are we within 3 mos yet?
VanillaRhapsody
Jul 2014
#116
A vote for Hillary is a vote for more trade agreements and more wars and more lost jobs.
JDPriestly
Jul 2014
#86
I'm 71, and I have voted for and worked for Democrats in every election in which I have lived
JDPriestly
Jul 2014
#118
So far, we haven't entered the primaries. I hope to vote for either Elizabeth Warren or
JDPriestly
Jul 2014
#120
that doesn't even matter....YOU cannot commit to voting for the winner of the Primary that WE
VanillaRhapsody
Jul 2014
#121
Actually, that is up to the Secretary of State of California and the Recorder's or Registrar's
JDPriestly
Jul 2014
#123
Independent EXACTLY my point....IF you are sooooo "Independent" voting....YOU are not a Democrat....
VanillaRhapsody
Jul 2014
#115
Fighting to the death in the arena, with fans screaming for blood in the stands.
bravenak
Jul 2014
#34
Especially if she's "on the rag." Amirite? Amirite?11? Your OP is disgusting. If you have an
Squinch
Jul 2014
#31
I need to allay your fears that Hillary will bomb something simply to prove she is tough? I need
Squinch
Jul 2014
#57
and you think you've got "something" that is not pure speculation that is?
VanillaRhapsody
Jul 2014
#66
I read a while back that post-menopausal women are the most hormonally balanced of all
Squinch
Jul 2014
#110
Everyone has their own opinion, even if they are just repeating right wing talking points.
TeamPooka
Jul 2014
#38
This is pretty sexist thinking. Plus, just because Warren was a Republican for so many long years
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2014
#45
Oh cripes! Don't let facts and history get in the way of all this righteous indignation.
elehhhhna
Jul 2014
#55
Unlike Romney who actually protested FOR the Viet Nam war from his bunker in France!
VanillaRhapsody
Jul 2014
#68
This must be some sort of DU insider's thread, or a game where we all have to guess who the fuck
Ed Suspicious
Jul 2014
#61
Good point . . . Or anybody really. I figured he was talking about Palin, but I didn't understand
Ed Suspicious
Jul 2014
#80
Between this and the manufactured outrage over Hil's performing her duties as defense counsel for
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#72
Yep. Tough guy PR is what got us into Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2014
#81
I very much agree. And all this Benghazi nonsense is intended to goad her on.
JDPriestly
Jul 2014
#85