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d_r

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79. I agree

Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:22 PM

Jul 2014

That person isn't "normal" and as a society we want that person to get help now and never act on that and get treatment. That person who is "mildly turned on by a naked 6 year old" is sick, but lets get them help.

But the way we deal with that person - getting them treatment and help - is different than the way I think we should treat someone further down that line that is acting on that sickness and will not respond to treatment. We need to permanently remove those ppl from society, imho.

So I see the value in recognizing that continuum. Not to normalize that behavior, but to see how best to respond to it. Change it if it can be changed, remove/isolate it if it can not. So I think this kind of research has a value in being able to better understand and react to these types of behavior profile.

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'Paedophilia is natural and normal for males' [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #1

Bullshit Propaganda spewed by ... FreakinDJ Jul 2014 #54

Is this also tabloid reporting? redqueen Jul 2014 #60

I think you're right about it being a form of narcissism. pnwmom Jul 2014 #2

"All they can see is their own need." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #4

That is it exactly. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #9

...named Rush Limbaugh. nt onehandle Jul 2014 #3

Excuse me but NO liberal N proud Jul 2014 #5

If you can stomach reading further down in the article you'll see lamentations that Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #13

This FrodosPet Jul 2014 #50

Somebody is projecting just a little too much Warpy Jul 2014 #6

And here's why malaise Jul 2014 #8

The same thing happened here Warpy Jul 2014 #12

And around the same time as well malaise Jul 2014 #14

Aristocratic predation of children is, essentially, my only conspiracy theory. RadiationTherapy Jul 2014 #25

And that extends to traveling middle class businessmen Warpy Jul 2014 #42

Good grief that is disgusting. RadiationTherapy Jul 2014 #57

"True Crime" Laffy Kat Jul 2014 #101

That is exactly it, Bullshit projection. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #21

The average male does not get sexually arroused around children! Bullfuckingshit! Rex Jul 2014 #7

As I would like to consider myself and average male, Throckmorton Jul 2014 #136

Was this study funded by the Vatican? MoonRiver Jul 2014 #10

'Natural' or even 'normal' is not the same as 'good'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #11

Ducks and Ad�lie penguins are necrophiliac rapists. That's totally natural and normal. DetlefK Jul 2014 #16

There ya go. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Jul 2014 #45

Well we aren't ducks or penguins. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #123

Did you read the article? redqueen Jul 2014 #20

No, I read the OP. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #22

Women's right to bodily integrity is slowly being whittled even further, redqueen Jul 2014 #23

I think that that to which you allude is a temporary condition. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #27

I sure hope you're right... n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #103

It's not just the republicans. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #125

I think the tone of the article itself is one of incredulity and disfavor. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #32

So, then, is my desire to castrate pedophiles likewise "natural and normal?" riqster Jul 2014 #15

Yes. bravenak Jul 2014 #28

Nicer than me. Growing up, to me rape was the same as murder. Bullet. Brain. Bye. freshwest Jul 2014 #117

Bullet to the brain is far kinder than my proposed solution. riqster Jul 2014 #129

They've been around all along. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #132

Christ on a crutch. riqster Jul 2014 #133

This isn't new, and it isn't going away. redqueen Jul 2014 #17

Maybe not a coincidence but ... lpbk2713 Jul 2014 #18

I think there are important differences between hebephilia and pedophilia from feminist POV zazen Jul 2014 #24

I agree. Chemisse Jul 2014 #31

Isn't hebephilia sexual attraction of 11-14 year olds? Reter Jul 2014 #36

ephebephilia redqueen Jul 2014 #43

ew. Really? So I guess they feel entitled to girls that age? Iris Jul 2014 #142

They don't want anyone saying it's wrong for older men to lust after teens. redqueen Jul 2014 #145

yes, the objectification of girls is ubiquitous. Iris Jul 2014 #147

Pedophilia, and hebephilia are child abusers. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #122

Hmmm, I must be broken because I prefer women in the 35 - 55 age range. dilby Jul 2014 #26

A behaviour being 'natural' or 'normal' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #34

Pedophilia is not normal, i.e. a standard, conforming. It is an aberration. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #126

My point is that it was semantics. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #131

Semantics? And comparing pedophilia to left-handed people is a fail in so many ways. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #137

Whatever. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #139

So basically this guy is a kiddy-fiddler Arkana Jul 2014 #29

I think the author of the article itself is as appaled as we are. He is exposing effots by others to Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #33

more important is that this is irrelevant to its morality. kids can't give consent unblock Jul 2014 #30

"...which likely would lead to harsher, not more lenient, punishments." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #35

Normal? I thought it was unusual LittleBlue Jul 2014 #37

Oh jeez am I ever going to get flammed for this one. Kurska Jul 2014 #38

"pedophilic urges are far more common than most of us would like to believe" redqueen Jul 2014 #46

It is a bold statement, supported by an increasing amount of research. Kurska Jul 2014 #47

Are you counting under 18 as pedophelia, or just under 12. stevenleser Jul 2014 #91

Define alot Kurska Jul 2014 #93

A lot in this case would be >5% nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #94

Honestly? Kurska Jul 2014 #97

I shudder to think Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #56

I have the same reaction. redqueen Jul 2014 #61

One of the "treatments" is to "redirect" their fantasies ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #64

I wonder if it ever occurs to anyone that maybe the ubiquitous sexual objectification of women redqueen Jul 2014 #73

It should but it doesn't ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #76

She has my admiration redqueen Jul 2014 #82

Personally, I don't condone jack Kurska Jul 2014 #102

This is extremely disturbing. smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #112

Thank you for the "Data doesn't really care what human beings think of it" perspective. Silent3 Jul 2014 #71

Are you upset about something? redqueen Jul 2014 #72

I'm upset about the general anti-intellectual, emotion and agenda-driven... Silent3 Jul 2014 #83

There is no particular Data in the OP ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #74

The reactions are clearly mostly a fast and furious... Silent3 Jul 2014 #81

I Absolutely RobinA Jul 2014 #92

yeah no qazplm Jul 2014 #39

Exactly +100 Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #116

No Rational Equivalency? 4Q2u2 Jul 2014 #40

And of course idiot right-wingers still try to equate the two (homosexuality and child abuse). nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #105

I disagree, but separately, why the reference to "girls, girls, girls" rather than closeupready Jul 2014 #41

In five years, you're going to see lots more of this. ryan_cats Jul 2014 #44

The Iron Wall between pedos and LGBT DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #48

+1000 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #106

NAMBLA was kicked out of the LGBTQ community in the 80s AngryAmish Jul 2014 #130

You are treading dangerously close alp227 Jul 2014 #113

Since at least 15% of ancient humans died of homicide... mainer Jul 2014 #49

Normal? No. Natural? No idea. Chan790 Jul 2014 #51

'Paedophilia is natural and normal for males' but it isn't natural or normal for children. Frustratedlady Jul 2014 #52

Perhaps, but acting on it is not legal. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #53

I believe that Kinsey found that 20+% of men are pedophiles... Xithras Jul 2014 #55

Sorry but this: redqueen Jul 2014 #59

Statistically, you probably know several. Xithras Jul 2014 #62

One in five? Yikes. Rex Jul 2014 #121

And we try to move the lines. jeff47 Jul 2014 #63

Thank you ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #65

Context is everything. Xithras Jul 2014 #66

Nope. Still not where "normal" is. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #67

Define "normal" Xithras Jul 2014 #69

And there we go trying to move the lines again. jeff47 Jul 2014 #95

Ahem Xithras Jul 2014 #111

Here you go ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #68

I agree d_r Jul 2014 #79

the reason for trying to understand d_r Jul 2014 #77

Oh bullshit ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #58

That's just a bullshit rationalization stated by a perverted asshole. MineralMan Jul 2014 #70

The article's author or subjects? Honest question. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #80

The subjects, of course. MineralMan Jul 2014 #84

OK. Forgive me, but it seems a lot of commenters aren't distinguishing the two and *appear* Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #85

Sorry if I wasn't clear. MineralMan Jul 2014 #86

No, Just no Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #75

Hebephilia is 11-14... redqueen Jul 2014 #78

I'm thinking the upper end of that age band Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #114

Your use of terminology is a little sloppy there, but I see what you mean. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #107

Ridiculous ProfessorGAC Jul 2014 #87

I can't help but think there is an aspect that accounts for the maturity of the younger party. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #88

Oh, I Thought Of That ProfessorGAC Jul 2014 #89

You have GOT to be FUCKING kidding me. AverageJoe90 Jul 2014 #96

The article is not an endorsement but an expose of those who do advocate. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #98

Well, alright, then. I apologize for having jumped to conclusions, then. nt AverageJoe90 Jul 2014 #100

I'm a white male, I have zero desire to see kids naked. Initech Jul 2014 #99

Agreed on all points. It honestly mystifies me. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #108

Question: have Ken Plummer or Tom O'Carroll ever been investigated for crimes against children? nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #104

Sadly, I'm not that surprised...n/t PasadenaTrudy Jul 2014 #109

Hmmm. So they based their statement on comments from Jerry Sandusky?? madinmaryland Jul 2014 #110

Wow...just disgusting from beginning to end. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #115

Even if the desire is widespread aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #118

Did anybody else read that quote and think this: Ken Burch Jul 2014 #119

These people are pathological, sociopaths. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #120

Where does it end? Skip Intro Jul 2014 #124

They say the internet allows crazies applegrove Jul 2014 #127

I call BS on this Skittles Jul 2014 #128

A Thought On That ProfessorGAC Jul 2014 #135

well thanks Professor Skittles Jul 2014 #148

Assuming that it is "normal and natural for a sizeable minority" Nevernose Jul 2014 #134

So little empathy Blue_Adept Jul 2014 #138

"It's easy to just say they're evil. But hey, isn't that what was said about gays for so long?" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #140

Right Blue_Adept Jul 2014 #141

Many things can be labeled a disorder. First, that doesn't make it so and it can be abused. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #143

And nowhere are we talking about putting innocents at greater risk Blue_Adept Jul 2014 #144

"Understanding" is one thing. People "understand" psychotics. But many times Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #146

a retort DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #149