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94. What are some other reasonable scenarios that fit MoRokTah's response?

Tue Jul 8, 2014, 07:47 PM

Jul 2014

That those actions were wrong, but not profoundly important?

The Iraq War Resolution itself was the most profoundly important vote in decades.

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"Hillary Bashing" [View all] WilliamPitt Jul 2014 OP

Here Here ! nt clarice Jul 2014 #1

Hear, Hear, too! mckara Jul 2014 #81

Hillary is the best candidate we have yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #90

That's very sad. 840high Jul 2014 #95

Not if you're okay with rand paul picking the next Supreme Court justices. calimary Jul 2014 #100

agree rtracey Jul 2014 #199

or Joe Biden reddread Jul 2014 #223

I agree.. abakan Jul 2014 #231

no you dont, sadly you didnt understand me at all reddread Jul 2014 #253

Congrats, you live in the real world LordGlenconner Jul 2014 #240

I don't believe that Aerows Jul 2014 #111

Oh yeah, those are A listers. Beacool Jul 2014 #201

and that's what it all boils down to. brand loyalty. frylock Jul 2014 #234

That's what reporters and news anchors Stellar Jul 2014 #127

You better get ready for Jeb then!! pocoloco Jul 2014 #162

What BS. Are you stating that we can't find a single Live and Learn Jul 2014 #170

God help us if Hillary is the best we can do lululu Jul 2014 #193

I can think of TWO others Omaha Steve Jul 2014 #212

To do what....?????? grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #247

You have stated the truth with your normal incisiveness and clarity, my dear Will... CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #2

Yes, needs to be stated, over and over. Well said WP! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #129

Thanks, Mr. Pitt. Divernan Jul 2014 #3

so why are most threads about how much money she made , calling her a rodeo clown JI7 Jul 2014 #4

I've seen one thread each on the clown and bomb topics. A few about money. arcane1 Jul 2014 #29

there have been more but that's what people referring to when talking about bashing JI7 Jul 2014 #30

I would agree there, especially the clown bit. arcane1 Jul 2014 #34

clown != rodeo clown. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #51

And it was the Pres who said pscot Jul 2014 #133

It's not the money she made, it's the money she claims to have not had Scootaloo Jul 2014 #156

She wasn't called a rodeo clown. ZombieHorde Jul 2014 #159

They are just trying to head off any and all criticism. morningfog Jul 2014 #5

She has not announced, but she's been a candidate for quite a while. merrily Jul 2014 #7

for those of us in the tech community --- her support for H-1B visas antigop Jul 2014 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author antigop Jul 2014 #8

H-1Bs are terrible lululu Jul 2014 #194

"H-1Bs are at home outsourcing." ....EXACTLY! beerandjesus Jul 2014 #202

And look at how they prosecuted Nagin, but many exploiting H-2B visa program still being sued... cascadiance Jul 2014 #243

Clinton's free-trade advocacy is hitting labor where it lives antigop Jul 2014 #259

"There is no STEM shortage.... " SomeGuyInEagan Jul 2014 #225

Yes and Obama said... lexx21 Jul 2014 #258

Will I'm going out on a limb here and gonna say Autumn Jul 2014 #9

he is now on the Clinton frenemy list. nt antigop Jul 2014 #11

In the words of another advocate for the Iraq invasion... WilliamPitt Jul 2014 #12

Fuck it, I'm ready for ...bring it on. Autumn Jul 2014 #16

There will be a lot of us in trouble along with him. Like me. Because I will not support Hillary. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #39

I love Hillary, I have had the pleasure of speaking to her about health care and a few other things. Autumn Jul 2014 #50

I'm with you. I would love to see a woman president. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #56

It's time for the correct woman. obxhead Jul 2014 #68

Yes. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #186

Gender should not be a litmus test swilton Jul 2014 #123

I agree with you. Granny M Jul 2014 #175

Thank you. beerandjesus Jul 2014 #205

"Another 8 years of the same" ?? sunnystarr Jul 2014 #104

Tell you what. Try reading my post, I don't know were you pulled the "If you don't like Hillary" Autumn Jul 2014 #109

Maybe it was when you said ... sunnystarr Jul 2014 #229

Well there ya go. Autumn Jul 2014 #230

Um, do Democrats not have access to the media? beerandjesus Jul 2014 #207

I can't forgive her for THIS: "We Came, We Saw, He Died".... KoKo Jul 2014 #106

Let's not forget swilton Jul 2014 #120

And this was after Qaddhafi had given up nuclear weapons and so on lululu Jul 2014 #195

Not only will I contribute to her primary opponent, if she wins the nomination Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author sammy27932003 Jul 2014 #277

+++ swilton Jul 2014 #116

The biggest mistake would be "no primary" fadedrose Jul 2014 #239

Oh, we will have a primary. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #241

Huh? I haven't seen anyone advocating for no primary. n/t winter is coming Jul 2014 #242

Will has "stepped in it" FOR SURE........ KoKo Jul 2014 #63

He was hated before but now..... Autumn Jul 2014 #65

She did not merely vote for the Iraq War. She advocated for it. merrily Jul 2014 #10

She took that vote very seriously. Once she MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #23

Well, that is what she said, anyway, after her vote proved a liability to her merrily Jul 2014 #25

"I was wrong on the most important vote of my life; do I have your vote?" MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #28

None of her explanations were good. merrily Jul 2014 #166

Good thing she didn't have her finger on the nuke button. L0oniX Jul 2014 #216

How many Iraqi children died horrible deaths because we didnt stop our government. George Bush rhett o rick Jul 2014 #273

I have no issue with people challenging her views. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #13

Thanks for posting this. TBF Jul 2014 #27

Your welcome. It is a tell that they ignore it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #33

I for one read that post, and found it very interesting. beerandjesus Jul 2014 #210

i know a bunch of her supporters and they are regularly involved in working JI7 Jul 2014 #37

Not that I'm a supporter, but Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #53

I am not completely sure what it is but I am glad tbey are giving Dems money. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #57

Remains to be seen whether being ASSOCIATED with Hillary is going to be a help, n'est-ce pas? djean111 Jul 2014 #54

I imagine Sothern Dems up in the senate will ask her to go to their states. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #58

TY for the link and info, hrmjustin. I've kicked it. Hekate Jul 2014 #60

Your welcome. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #64

Agreed theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #141

And it is so early. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #145

I was at work yesterday, so didn't see the post. but thank you for the link magical thyme Jul 2014 #236

Your welcome. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #237

This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Jul 2014 #14

Is that the only measure that matters? Scuba Jul 2014 #180

I anticipate every bit as much unity in 2016 as we had in 1968 corkhead Jul 2014 #15

Lovely thought; that's how we got Dick Nixon & Company. nt Hekate Jul 2014 #62

I agree with you on much of what you post. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #17

So. WilliamPitt Jul 2014 #20

I lived through the time and understand why a Senator would vote in favor given the evidence. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #26

Huh? 21 Democratic senators voted against the AUMF MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #31

Nope, you are wrong. 98-0 SJ Res 23 MohRokTah Jul 2014 #38

So when Hillary says she got it wrong, she meant the Afghanistan AUMF? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #40

Read the original AUMF. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #43

So Hillary's wrong to admit she was wrong on the 2002 AUMF, MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #45

Nope, she should have voted against it MohRokTah Jul 2014 #48

I understand now why you support her. GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #121

+1 MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #134

Forgive me for understanding that politicians make political decisions MohRokTah Jul 2014 #138

well, now she's going to have that vote held against her in a presidential race frylock Jul 2014 #238

Thank you dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #132

I lived through the time. I understand. LWolf Jul 2014 #46

lame revisionism.... mike_c Jul 2014 #49

her vote was cowardice. I am sick of dems without class. she didn't just vote for something that roguevalley Jul 2014 #59

You are describing a total lack of leadership skills. Union Scribe Jul 2014 #70

I'm saying it doesn't mean fuck all in 2016. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #73

Lol. Of course she does. Union Scribe Jul 2014 #76

. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #89

With Iraq dissolving now, it will mean fuck all, or at least fuck some. morningfog Jul 2014 #181

. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #187

She's Inevitable! For real THIS TIME! morningfog Jul 2014 #189

Ridiculous. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #191

INEVITABLE!!!! Number 45! morningfog Jul 2014 #235

then you support the corpocracy through and thorugh. period. cali Jul 2014 #213

Senators are privy to far more info than we get on MSNBC and co obxhead Jul 2014 #72

Bullshit. Hissyspit Jul 2014 #98

There were an awful lot of us out there who understood quite clearly SheilaT Jul 2014 #119

No, thats not true at all arikara Jul 2014 #148

So you're point is that she was "fooled" by Bush and the "intelligence" evidence he had? rhett o rick Jul 2014 #153

Do we want someone who gets "fooled" with a finger on the nuke button? L0oniX Jul 2014 #214

Ya know, Will ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #75

Wasn't Clinton's embrace of the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, and Keystone XL, MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #82

You're not the one missing anything! nt Union Scribe Jul 2014 #84

MohRokTah's reply was ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #91

What are some other reasonable scenarios that fit MoRokTah's response? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #94

lol. way to misquote and twist there, Ms. Greggs cali Jul 2014 #217

... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #248

Just because I approve of those that approve of the Iraq War, the XL Pipeling, the Patriot Act, rhett o rick Jul 2014 #227

Do you understand ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #269

I am sorry. I should no better than try to discuss something with you. My mistake. nm rhett o rick Jul 2014 #270

Actually ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #271

So what is your goal here in DU? Apparently not to discuss issues. Do you even call yourself rhett o rick Jul 2014 #272

What I call myself ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #275

I am also a Democrat but I do not worship at the alter of the Giant D. rhett o rick Jul 2014 #279

The issue here ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #280

I support the Democratic Party and especially the principles of the Democratic Party. rhett o rick Jul 2014 #281

Very good post. JoePhilly Jul 2014 #86

Knee-jerk reaction??? WilliamPitt Jul 2014 #88

I am not taking issue with your OP. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #122

Nope dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #137

Again ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #150

You're right about the "blanket statement of support" dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #251

Thank you for your civil ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #274

Well I get that dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #276

"I've known you and respected you a long, long time. You're better than that." NealK Jul 2014 #264

I don't know about this particular poster but NealK Jul 2014 #78

I have to say, I feel another great article coming down the pike by you. Autumn Jul 2014 #83

All of the above arikara Jul 2014 #18

Too many Dems feel what makes America GREAT is money and power. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #19

I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE HILLARY CLINTON ! ! ! Trajan Jul 2014 #21

Yes, keep your head down! NealK Jul 2014 #80

pretend like it's Bosnia frylock Jul 2014 #245

Nor are her close ties to Monsanto or her support of "free trade and raid" agreements like TPP Armstead Jul 2014 #22

Agreed Boom Sound 416 Jul 2014 #24

K&R! Hillary's judgment is profoundly questionable. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #32

Spot on, Will. Let's get a real progressive, no more corporate compromises LittleBlue Jul 2014 #35

I will happily bash Hillary Clinton until the day it becomes apparent... mike_c Jul 2014 #36

She has a good record on women's rights. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #55

And her working to bring about the TPP dirtydickcheney Jul 2014 #41

Yes, we can't forget that because it's ongoing. Union Scribe Jul 2014 #71

I agree BUT heaven05 Jul 2014 #42

I sadly must agree. "Anyone but Hillary" is fine for primary season - and I fully endorse it - nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #101

I agree sellitman Jul 2014 #124

My thoughts exactly. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #128

comes easily, and I imagine heaven05 Jul 2014 #196

I don't agree that her judgment on important issues has been questionable tularetom Jul 2014 #44

I haven't forgotten how "inevitable" rocktivity Jul 2014 #47

You can't even begin to compare her poll numbers in 2005 to early 2007 to what she has today. StevieM Jul 2014 #96

Rand Paul For PResident and cant wait to see his SC appointments !!!! randys1 Jul 2014 #52

That's the thing. I'm far from satisfied with the "leaders" on the Dem side, but compared to nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #103

I still hold that the reason the MSM has Ms.Clinton as the "anointed one" Half-Century Man Jul 2014 #61

"but it's got electrolytes" MisterP Jul 2014 #66

that response is without merit heaven05 Jul 2014 #203

Her ties to drug companies, obxhead Jul 2014 #67

Mere details. That was then. marble falls Jul 2014 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #74

Let me pose a rather different question sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #77

Now Will...... DeSwiss Jul 2014 #79

let's pretend that the complaints of 'bashing' are all against legitimate issues like you say bigtree Jul 2014 #85

All that plus C Street KamaAina Jul 2014 #87

I read a lot of bashing is means to try to get some here to like other possible candidates, but Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #92

Or you could just go with the obvious conclusion Aerows Jul 2014 #112

K&R Solly Mack Jul 2014 #93

It's not "bashing." Hillary has been around a while and has a long record. EEO Jul 2014 #97

my friend, it is that part where you cant say anything good about her. mopinko Jul 2014 #99

Curious, if per chance Ms Clinton wins the Primary's whom would you use your right to vote for? AuntPatsy Jul 2014 #102

Can't speak for Will, but serious reservations aside, I'll vote for her in the general. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #108

If Hillary wins the nomination... wyldwolf Jul 2014 #110

IF Hillary wins the nomination Aerows Jul 2014 #113

anything to back that up, or is this just another one of your gut feelings? frylock Jul 2014 #246

This ^ LordGlenconner Jul 2014 #263

I was arguing on foxnews.com last night over the minimum wage increase in Seattle and I realized... String Fiesta Jul 2014 #105

I think we have all had an education on how corporations screw us Aerows Jul 2014 #115

Transparent, but with some tuning, I think you'll have it nailed. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #136

Maybe those that do want her as President Aerows Jul 2014 #107

Indeed. Veilex Jul 2014 #117

William you know it ain't easy! Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2014 #118

I wouldn't object to "Hillary Bashing" cheapdate Jul 2014 #125

Hillary is the worst in our party: A Vichy Democrat and moral coward, if not utter nihilist. True Blue Door Jul 2014 #126

the choice is simple whereisjustice Jul 2014 #130

Your post has been alerted, not by me. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #147

What's the rationale for alerting? arikara Jul 2014 #149

I forgot exactly what it said.... NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #152

Thanks arikara Jul 2014 #154

Oh the possibility of a tainted pro Hillary jury pool. Can't wait for the primary. L0oniX Jul 2014 #218

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #157

Thanks again arikara Jul 2014 #161

really heaven05 Jul 2014 #200

"dumb alert" No. Dumb alert'r. Like DU needs this kind of alerting ...it's fucking stupid. L0oniX Jul 2014 #220

All 7 folks on this jury were idiots. This is Dem bashing. Plain and simple. TeamPooka Jul 2014 #250

That's totally not alertable.. some Alerters need to get a Grip. Cha Jul 2014 #168

Welcome to DU arikara Jul 2014 #151

Welcome and thank you. pa28 Jul 2014 #160

... Scuba Jul 2014 #182

Reminds me of: "It's a two party system..." abelenkpe Jul 2014 #252

Perfect Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #197

+1 leftstreet Jul 2014 #244

so you showed up to bash the Democratic Party and their candidates? Ignored. nt TeamPooka Jul 2014 #249

Thank you Thespian2 Jul 2014 #131

I DON'T interpret this as bashing� I think it's the only thing to say at this point... MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #135

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Warren has never said she will not run. Scuba Jul 2014 #183

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You're entitled to your opinion, but the fact remains: Warren has never said she will not run. Scuba Jul 2014 #206

Pretty sure I heard her say she's not running the last time she was on The Colbert Report. winter is coming Jul 2014 #215

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I'll correct you on what you think I wrote... MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #267

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Remind me sometime... MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #282

Thank you, Will MissDeeds Jul 2014 #139

You supported Kerry dsc Jul 2014 #140

Clinton showed so much more as SoS while Harmony Blue Jul 2014 #142

frankly I don't have a problem with Kerry's conduct as SOS dsc Jul 2014 #144

That's what I was thinking dsc.. I remember that well having been a Dean Supporter. nm Cha Jul 2014 #169

Bush was invading without AUMF. joshcryer Jul 2014 #143

K/R, WillPitt. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #146

The issue is H is all we get, the Corporate Master Titans have chose and spoken it nolabels Jul 2014 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #155

"Will posts and everyone bows" ...broad based snark attack on "everyone" Is that all you got? L0oniX Jul 2014 #222

I can name four good things she did, but that is not the point, is it? McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #163

Here is what Hillary thinks of the Hillary Bashing McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #164

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #167

Sort of like vampires, you need to drive the silver stake and that other vampire stuff to get....... nolabels Jul 2014 #177

Really? You Have Sarah Palin Calling For Impeachment, Boehner Sueing The POTUS & YOU BASH HILLARY Corey_Baker08 Jul 2014 #165

So you would impose Reagan's Eleventh Commandment on Democrats? Scuba Jul 2014 #184

Some people just don't realize that us Democrats are above scrutiny. We're exceptional and stuff. L0oniX Jul 2014 #224

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #266

This site is for progressives as well as democrats. L0oniX Jul 2014 #268

You gotta admit the caps really sealed it though... SomethingFishy Jul 2014 #283

Yea ...saw that. Would have liked to have seen the poster go off with caps on him. L0oniX Jul 2014 #284

The Nation's new article on NSA and Hillary Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #171

She voted against telecom immunity. joshcryer Jul 2014 #172

Running and Ruling are two different things for politicans Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #173

They went with the polls. joshcryer Jul 2014 #174

I call BS santroy79 Jul 2014 #178

With you. nt TBF Jul 2014 #188

Are you going to channel your anger towards get out the vote efforts this year? IronLionZion Jul 2014 #179

K&R. Pointing out a candidate's record is not bashing. Scuba Jul 2014 #185

Of course it's WAY more of the latter than the former Tom Rinaldo Jul 2014 #190

Elizabeth Warren supports Hillary Clinton for President. Is she.... brooklynite Jul 2014 #192

:) reddread Jul 2014 #254

No, some of you see what you want to see. Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #198

Not every Dem is a Hillary-bot Larkspur Jul 2014 #208

Whatever, the constant drama here is ridiculous. Beacool Jul 2014 #209

^^ this. Reality. K&R nt TBF Jul 2014 #233

cheese processing plants and fracking reddread Jul 2014 #257

Got Hyperbole? rock Jul 2014 #211

Yeah, but she's gonna help make us all rich! closeupready Jul 2014 #219

they werent Americans anyway. reddread Jul 2014 #255

Hillary for President, but why are talking about 2016, let talk out 2014 lewebley3 Jul 2014 #226

so tell us about 2014? reddread Jul 2014 #256

Politics being the Art of the Possible Scott6113 Jul 2014 #228

buckle up, DUers who weren't here for the 08 primaries librechik Jul 2014 #232

That depends on who actually runs. onehandle Jul 2014 #260

I Will Never Vote For Hilary.... supercats Jul 2014 #261

I will if she's the Dem nom in the natl election. Iggo Jul 2014 #262

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