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djean111

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102. When Snowden first revealed anything at all - the big accusation here was that he

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:43 AM

Jul 2014

deliberately did this in order to bring down Obama. The ENTIRE thing was viewed through the Obama lens.
Not right or wrong, but how did this affect Obama. The wagons circled before anything was known or mentioned about constitutionality. If Bush had been president, IMO, the tone and tenor would have been entirely different.
And the smear the messenger stuff was actually hilarious. Hilarious. Boxes in his garage, left his girlfriend, etc. Totally childish. But now the ad hominem stuff is actually the (ineffective) weapon of choice used against anyone who is seen to threaten Obama (and Hillary) - and by threatening I mean not abjectly and uncritically adoring.

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If you think that Snowden ought to have gone through channels, consider this. [View all] kpete Jul 2014 OP

Snowden's big sin, to some, was exposing the NSA while Obama is president. As if that mattered in djean111 Jul 2014 #1

Can't help but wonder how many of the people spanking Snowden Jake Stern Jul 2014 #7

You can be certain. tymorial Jul 2014 #25

Damn! Good post!! chervilant Jul 2014 #45

Thank you :) tymorial Jul 2014 #63

I do like that quote. chervilant Jul 2014 #68

He would have been a hero. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #39

Exactly. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #8

that is obvious. that is why i don't pay attention to that bunch m-lekktor Jul 2014 #12

Snowden's big sin to many others... gcomeau Jul 2014 #19

First, I think that exaggerates what Snowden did. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #26

No, that precisely and literally defines what he did. gcomeau Jul 2014 #31

Please show me where anything that precise came out of the Snowden documents. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #32

Ahem... gcomeau Jul 2014 #36

My point is that the government leaks things when it's convenient to them. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #37

And I repeat... gcomeau Jul 2014 #51

Nobody is seriously thinking about prosecuting them. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #53

Ah, I bow to your powers of telepathy. Very impressive. -eom gcomeau Jul 2014 #62

Actually that's pretty much how the NSA operates its PR system. ancianita Jul 2014 #85

Also, the attacks on Huawei listed in the Der Spiegel article... BlueCheese Jul 2014 #38

He should be applauded for revealing those attacks on Chinese computers. Vattel Jul 2014 #41

He was exposing Intelligence Activities on the part of the US gcomeau Jul 2014 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueCheese Jul 2014 #54

Intelligence for economic advantage that violates the rights of innocent Chinese citizens. Vattel Jul 2014 #64

Which is based on nothing but the Chinese claim. gcomeau Jul 2014 #65

Mike Rodgers' House Intel Committee had gotten no evidence that Chinese firms had penetrated US ancianita Jul 2014 #82

Uh huh... so basically gcomeau Jul 2014 #83

Not trying to get you. Trying to present the idea that the evidence isn't all in yet about our ancianita Jul 2014 #84

While begging the question that there *are* "industrial espionage activities"... gcomeau Jul 2014 #90

No one assumes as much as you seem to. I said: what evidence we do have "points to" the existence of ancianita Jul 2014 #91

And I pointed out gcomeau Jul 2014 #95

No "industrial components"! No content! No industrial espionage exists! Glad that's cleared up! ancianita Jul 2014 #96

Making statements with exclamation points! gcomeau Jul 2014 #97

Mocking! doesn't make you right. You don't accept as evidence what Snowden ancianita Jul 2014 #98

No, I have pointed out gcomeau Jul 2014 #99

let me get this straight reorg Jul 2014 #43

You declaring it to be industrial espionage doesn't make it so. -eom gcomeau Jul 2014 #50

According to Snowden via Greenwald, 70% of our national intel budget is spent in the private sector, ancianita Jul 2014 #80

Which doesn't make it "industrial espionage" gcomeau Jul 2014 #81

Its "protection" systems extend less for Americans' safety than for corporate govt. safety. ancianita Jul 2014 #86

I can't even tell what the point of what you just said was. gcomeau Jul 2014 #88

...and to others it was being a bold faced liar and losing all credibility that he COULD have gained uponit7771 Jul 2014 #23

Yes, "while Obama was President" is the operative phrase. End of story. n/t truth2power Jul 2014 #74

Actually, I think his big sin... Adrahil Jul 2014 #101

When Snowden first revealed anything at all - the big accusation here was that he djean111 Jul 2014 #102

Well, I DO think he has been played by Greenwald and Assange.... Adrahil Jul 2014 #103

Make No Mistake - The System Eats Those That Attempt Reform From Within cantbeserious Jul 2014 #2

It is modeled after the corporation's "open door" policies. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #3

It's worse than that. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #10

One case treestar Jul 2014 #4

Hogwash BillZBubb Jul 2014 #16

PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #18

or we're not willing to believe in grifteres like Greewald? Snowden being a bold faced liar doesn't uponit7771 Jul 2014 #24

More baloney. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #35

Again today, the NSA were proven to be liars MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #55

Read Greenwald's book, "No Place to Hide"... truth2power Jul 2014 #75

Facts convince people themselves. Fact: Snowden lied about going through any channels and people uponit7771 Jul 2014 #78

Why do I think that it doesn't matter how much evidence you were presented with? rhett o rick Jul 2014 #33

By this logic, a guy who gets hit by a truck crossing the street means none of us should ever cross stevenleser Jul 2014 #52

So true treestar Jul 2014 #100

Wait, I thought Snowden did go through channels, but was ignored... SidDithers Jul 2014 #5

Whiplash! randome Jul 2014 #30

Yeah, Consider that, OP! Either that or Snowden Lied his ass off A-gain. Get the stories straight. Cha Jul 2014 #59

The "channels" all lead to the same dead end swamp. SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2014 #6

Maybe the thread title should read "... have persisted in going through channels ..." Babel_17 Jul 2014 #9

NSA's message on the 4th Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #11

How much leeway does an employee have to "disclose" legal activity? Recursion Jul 2014 #13

Snowden going through channels to the NSA bosses is like.... Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #14

But he now insists that NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #57

I'm much more inclined to believe Snowden than the NSA. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #61

... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #66

Is the problem with Snowden his credibility or what he exposed? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #67

What has he 'exposed' ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #69

Yeap... no comeback on the "exposed' part... i'ts like people have been gaslighted to no end uponit7771 Jul 2014 #70

If he didn't expose anything, why are they pursuing him? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #71

He is being pursued ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #72

DO tell, Nance: chervilant Jul 2014 #76

My knickers in a twist? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #79

Yes, indeed, I do like that little chervilant Jul 2014 #87

I'm from Brooklyn ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #89

Considering the fate of the whistle blowers that had gone before him 90-percent Jul 2014 #15

Going through "channels" is a fools errand. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #17

"After his first attempts came to nothing"? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #73

The Groupie strikes back! BillZBubb Jul 2014 #92

Calling me a 'groupie' is so junior high ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #94

�I am one of those guys who has to push that button,� he said. Historic NY Jul 2014 #20

Comrade Snowden's sin is.... Cryptoad Jul 2014 #21

Stones? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #27

Really? I think his sin was quite different. Pholus Jul 2014 #34

Yeah! He suppose be macho!! elias49 Jul 2014 #46

Same old right wing smear: "Comrade". You should be proud. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #93

With that logic every person of color has a reason to NEVER EVER surrender themselves to the police uponit7771 Jul 2014 #22

+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #40

Snowden appears to be sticking to a schedule Babel_17 Jul 2014 #28

Just think of all the employee power that has been wasted... MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #29

Thanks...don't know how many times "Snowden didn't have any other Recourse" given KoKo Jul 2014 #42

and that's fine Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #44

No s***, just what I was thinking about the NSA. elias49 Jul 2014 #47

Snowden's been squiggling and lying from the get go. Just one more lie to him. Cha Jul 2014 #60

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #48

I am very, very said to say that MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #56

HUMONGOUS K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #58

I'm glad the info is out. Our government is wasting our tax $$ merrily Jul 2014 #77

Forced to retire is your idea of why going through channels is such a horrible idea? stevenleser Jul 2014 #104