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In reply to the discussion: Somewhere a bridge has gained its Troll back. [View all]bettyellen
(47,209 posts)241. a conflict of values- not personalities. but progressive values "annoy" quite a few here.
Let's hope they show their asses and flame out too.
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they were constantly "gaming" the system posting insults then editing and self deleting
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#21
I think Earl G and the majority of feminists here got it right- he was a deliberate shit stirrer who
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#61
Bettyellen has it exactly right. He was very clever in putting a toe over the line and then
MADem
Jul 2014
#185
nonsense, many people asked him diplomatically to delete or apologize. you may never have seen it,
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#128
a conflict of values- not personalities. but progressive values "annoy" quite a few here.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#241
If you read both the self-deleted Hobby Lobby thread and the self-locked shaving thread
Gormy Cuss
Jul 2014
#80
See one of my other replies dealing with my paraphrase of someone else's post.
IdaBriggs
Jul 2014
#130
so you think racists should be allowed and it's up to other members to just ignore if they are
JI7
Jul 2014
#238
That OP instructing people how to trash threads was a thinly veiled swipe at the Hobby Lobby ruling
cyberswede
Jul 2014
#272
'Trolling' is not always aimed at the people with whom you're directly interacting.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jul 2014
#359
and a few hosts convinced the lot that there is nothing they can do- every other forum's hosts
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#383
it really took that host's blatant admission of discrimination + the silly "one strong leave" crap
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#510
that hosts have become convinced that the SOP means nothing at all by a few hosts that
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#509
I would rather call them lies and half truths to meet an agenda, the host who posted
Autumn
Jul 2014
#524
Wait! Do you mean to say host didn't vote to leave that thread and anyone saying they did ...
Hassin Bin Sober
Jul 2014
#522
There was no discussion because a jury hid it before anyone could post on it.
maddezmom
Jul 2014
#525
That's the entire thread, ask your buddy. She can see it There is no discussion on locking it,
Autumn
Jul 2014
#529
You are a host with access to the host forum and you could have easily known how that alert went.
Autumn
Jul 2014
#633
it will take a few days for this to all settle down, a lot of angry things were posted
Autumn
Jul 2014
#639
A current member with 5 recent hides whose posting privileges have been revoked.
IdaBriggs
Jul 2014
#606
There is no decent rationalization for grave dancing. It's right off the junior high schoolyard. n
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#654
Dealing with SOP alerts based on who one likes or doesn't like is also beneath liberal Democrats
BainsBane
Jul 2014
#660
So your rationalization is that bullying and mob rule is justified if it's for a righteous cause.
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#663
It's you that has it backwards. You are not the victim. You were not harassed by a gang of people,
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#666
If rules are broken there are procedures that can be followed. It shouldn't be necessary
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#669
Not saying anything in the correct forum, where you know, we discuss this stuff
boston bean
Jul 2014
#672
And you continue to trash hosts. Seems to me that if you can't convince hosts to do
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#683
There would have been a lot less ugliness if he would have been dealt with appropriately.
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#670
This is what's petty Spazito, a host saying things about hosts that are not true.
Autumn
Jul 2014
#568
Had that been your intent, one would have thought you would have posted that instead of...
Spazito
Jul 2014
#640
WTF? You're listed as a host of GD and have been for two months. How are you "not hosting"? n/t
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#635
Not going to answer the question about how you would feel if someone...
Hassin Bin Sober
Jul 2014
#620
I didn't answer your red herring 'question' because it didn't relate to the post to which you...
Spazito
Jul 2014
#621
I am not cheering, I want her to explain exactly what she *thought* she meant.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#592
If I outright lie about something, please let me know. I honestly try not to do that.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#597
No host ignored it, it was hidden by a jury before a discussion could even occur
maddezmom
Jul 2014
#538
I love that she defend's Q's right to offend and snark to the end, but yours, not so much. LOL.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#146
So you *will* catch shit, and rightfully so, for blaming his actions on others. Deal with it.
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#149
The point is that when 'wcgreen' is a topic, it is in relation to his very serious health problems,
LeftishBrit
Jul 2014
#484
Exactly! In the past month, there were 3 OPs about WCGreen. 20+ for the word soccer...
Phentex
Jul 2014
#491
I still don't get it. Are Quinnox's and his supporters' alert buttons broken or something?
kcr
Jul 2014
#593
I'm a feminist who doesn't get drawn into DU's flamefests or drama. Quinnox was unequivocally
KittyWampus
Jul 2014
#102
"it's trolls like Quinnox who make DU suck, not those who stand up to jackasses like him"
Number23
Jul 2014
#428
I actually DID have him on ignore, and STILL I couldn't escape his trolling, because it always
Squinch
Jul 2014
#447
it doesn't matter whether you know who someone is, just the fact that he brags and laughs about
JI7
Jul 2014
#224
he has made a lot of ugly hateful commentss about African americans also, including negative
JI7
Jul 2014
#226
Usually his nonsense posts were connected to an earlier offense, a way of rubbing the salt in...
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#83
Pretty slick, huh? He put a lot of thought into maximizing offence and minimizing blow back so that
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#199
He caused major issues in the host forum yesterday. He locked his own thread without consensus.
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#34
I don't know for sure but I think the admins look for overall patterns of disruption...
Phentex
Jul 2014
#39
he held some sway in the Hosts forum, where they ignore sexism and racism these days....
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#259
on THAT one topic perhaps. Generally, a few hosts enjoyed beating up on alerters with him.
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#282
So your point is what? That Hassin Bin Sober said something snarky in the hosts forum?
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#287
This is 100% true, when you spoke up- you were insulted and mocked by hosts.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#299
because if gd hosting was left only to those who want to lock up everything gd would suck.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#327
no one could have found a reason to lock "women should be raped" because it's "authoritarian"
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#339
And that is just a lie. That op was hidden by jury before it ever got to the hosts.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#566
given the other rule: consensus, consistency is pretty much impossible.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#492
I saw what was posted from the host forum, and it was clear what was happening.
Sheldon Cooper
Jul 2014
#326
He found the weaknesses in the more libertarian hosts' "rules" they were making up, and exploited
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#341
if only that was the only host beating up on Duers instead of this troll- one blamed everyone but Q
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#295
and the posts between what you responded to and this one are a pretty big clue as to what
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#347
Because you never ever post hot headed / alert worthy. He was trolling for reactions to alert on
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#151
he didn't want to self delete another entire OP, so he PMd an host (one of those that defend
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#160
This thing where he edited posts to make them nastier and more disruptive AFTER they had
Squinch
Jul 2014
#453
yeah- how is that an issue of current event? What a shit hole GD has become! You'd think some
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#318
I should be surprised by that sort of thing here..and would have been on DU2.
mtnester
Jul 2014
#430
" You wouldn't recognize racism or sexism if they assaulted you in broad daylight."
AverageJoe90
Jul 2014
#232
With all due respect, he has personally helped you people to learn, in all honesty,
betsuni
Jul 2014
#476
My dad used to say the same thing. He used to say that the minute they say something to the
Squinch
Jul 2014
#612
If people were being honest, they would say, "I'm about to start lying to you now."
Squinch
Jul 2014
#617
Well, I can at least how the abuse of hosting privileges would be a problem.
AverageJoe90
Jul 2014
#258
when someone is "careless" all the fucking time, for years it is not a mistake....
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#305
Thanks for the rundown, cs.. yeah, he had that "me innocent.. it's everyone's else who's
Cha
Jul 2014
#415
"His schtick was to post offensive stuff, and then act all innocent - like he did it unintentionally
Number23
Jul 2014
#466
This is a very succinct accurate assessment of the last straw. Thank you.
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#132
the "others " maily being feminists and POC, as liked to mock both- so I am thinking
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#32
many people missed disgusting things he posted because he'd "self delete" constantly-
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#45
I missed alot of that I think- but did see him act like an ass on more then one occasion.
Marrah_G
Jul 2014
#94
Ahhh, I thought trolling was just posting to antagonize and disrupt others?
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#100
I'd have to respectfully disagree. His comments on women and black people usually hovered between
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2014
#86
OK. In that case I'll say, he occasionally dabbled in trollism. nt
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2014
#116
despite most often leaving these open- he will get special treatment from his host friends. Again..
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#66
No I did not. Amazing the hosts are leaning towards one last favor to their friend the troll, by
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#73
It's not an SOP violation and the jury handles alerts for people who think it's offensive.
boston bean
Jul 2014
#109
Thanks, I am sorry if it offends and locking this would likely be perceived as another favor
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#120
Yeah, just like Quinnox, if you had no history- you might think it was all an innocent mistake.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#144
I saw that immediately. When I hosted a few times, there were always a few who tried to
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#173
The lack of certainty and consistency makes it really hard for anyone new
theHandpuppet
Jul 2014
#176
wtf? "did you know there are hosts who keep lists of "groups" DUers they dislike and dissuade..."
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#177
Oh yeah- I am in a "group" to be ignored. Not one other GD host defended us alerters who
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#192
Thank you. And now for the suspicious, what was sent I had already seen and noticed, just forgot
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#196
totally agree. Earl says there will be changes, and hopefully switching out the hosts sooner
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#87
and the hosts refuse to address openly RW , sexist or racist OPs at all as disruptive....
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#166
Edward Snowden, Greenwald - and those obsessive about "Third Way" Dems like Bill Clinton
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#187
It took a long time for that host to explain what my "group" was supposed to be!
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#202
Thank you- I was considering posting an OP about it, but am not as good at that as some people
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#218
me, zappaman, number 23, peace nikki (the only one I actually knew, LOL) and I think cormy guss?
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#441
"Kind of ironic coming from a group of people who take back-room secret agreements so seriously".
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#362
You are WELCOME! It took a long time to get the truth out about "the group"- but yeah it's
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#413
Well when we (+4) were "grouped" by that host I did not understand the connection at all.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#507
I mentioned it in context of general tone and host accountability in the animosity that continues.
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#551
A post that's RW, sexist, racist, or otherwise disruptive is a jury matter.
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#308
exactly. this is what started the whole mess between GD hosts and other hosts
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#311
The SOP has been stretched to cover everything to the point where "Women should be raped" is
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#314
"Women should be raped" is obvious flamebait, but it's not an SOP violation for GD.
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#320
politics issues and current events is STILL in the SOP- just like that idiotic "one strong leave"
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#332
You're arguing that hosts should function as juries. That makes no sense.
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#367
If I go up to the OP and click the "this post is disruptive" button, where will the alert go?
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#384
You do get that a disruptive, off-topic post can, in fact, be both against SOP and CS, right?
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#385
Yes, I get that. I also get that hosts hide SOP violations, not CS violations.
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#386
huh. so that paragraph skinner wrote means nothing? why are we called 'hosts' if we're like robots
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#389
most hosts would deny this: "you are empowered to use your own best judgment "
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#387
Some hosts have convinced others there is no SOP anymore- only because it was stretched for harmless
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#375
I'm arguing they can- and have been encouraged by Skinner to follow the SOP at times when it is
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#398
The rules are made up- and remade constantly- mostly by the most vocal and libertarian leaning hosts
freshwest
Jul 2014
#515
I had no idea this was going on, honestly. It's very disappointing. I pay for a star like others.
freshwest
Jul 2014
#607
And as we now know, your claim that the hosts allowed the op "Women should be raped"
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#560
That's scary stuff there. Sad but good to know. It feels that way at times...
freshwest
Jul 2014
#459
Thanks! Every stinking Quinnox thread, I would get 3-4 bad alerts. Dude has minions!
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#105
reminds me of when hosts get angry when you ask why and label it harrassment......
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#103
The DU Gods are sometimes slow, but they usually catch up in the end. You Better Believe It!
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#111
Don't care so much that he locked his own OP. The wcgreen thing was inexcusable.
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#112
but dkf was a little better at it, this one would post obvious racist, sexist crap
JI7
Jul 2014
#220
and this is because hosts suddenly took a blind eye toward RW, sexist and racist crap....
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#237
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that crap going down in the Host Forum. nt
msanthrope
Jul 2014
#263
Not by a longshot. But quinnox and others turn ALL attempts to address it into attacks on the
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#265
Too many of the hosts have expressed open hostility to alerters. They hate the system, and allowed a
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#273
I did not understand the connection to those obsessed with Third Wayers until the discriminating
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#266
if your priority is NSA data but not women being jailed and scoped against their wills- you're a
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#289
Every fucking time I replied to his posts, I would get alerts. His scam was to inflame people
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#150
wow. that bad, eh? He really flew under my radar until just recently.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jul 2014
#167
I am pretty sure it was a drawer full, by the volume of BS alerts I assume he had a few
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#170
I had him on ignore for a long time.. something smelled fishy. Look at all I missed until this
Cha
Jul 2014
#436
Mine too, I went to add a name to replace- and THREE slots had opened up in the last 10-12 weeks
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#352
OOOhhh...."blacklist". I get to drop him, and add another of his ilk. Thanks for the reminder.
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#366
Sounds like he had a habit of crowding his luck and it finally caught up with him.
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#131
it's a pattern of antagonistic behavior coupled with openly racist and sexist attitudes that clued
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#134
Anything Democrats were unified about, he always wanted to change the subject. Big clue!
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#157
I knew he had issues, wasn't sure about the source, but the afro thingie speaks volumes.
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#188
you know, it used to bother me to see the saved links- but after this? No more.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#211
Yeah, if he wasn't a ratfucker I don't know who is. Well, actually I do.....
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#208
well, 20% of my jury blacklist has been PPR in the last two months, so I can pick em alright.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#396
I am not judging alerts by WHO alerted on WHO, as some hosts admittedly do.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#297
I'm saying that you are continually misrepresenting what it is that hosts are supposed to do
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#307
Very few hosts correct others when they trash alerters, or people in the flamebait thread...
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#343
one of the current hosts often calls perfectly reasonable alerts "disruptive"
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#346
disruptive if you are Libertarian or an anarchist- but not if you agreed to the TOS here, FFS.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#348
I took to heart the part where skinner said hosts are too make members feel welcome.
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#351
and to take a look at the effort made and intent of the thread - if they effort and intent are small
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#354
It is impossible to believe that those who want to "leave everything" actually believe that was
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#361
we both know there is no actual agreement on what hosts are *supposed* to do
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#310
well- they have been convinced by some others that no matter how extreme the sexism or racism -
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#390
yeah, pretty intentional. very funny how the "one strong leave" thing was discarded after
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#402
One logical conclusion to the HL decision is to take companies out of the equation.
NutmegYankee
Jul 2014
#371
Very true that "trolling" isn't necessarily intentional. The effect matters more than the motive.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#419
I'm not sure about the first part of your post. he was always complaining about the so called
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2014
#291
Agreed but my point my mean nothing. it sometimes takes the cave awhile to pick up
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#325
Reminds me of the fella that tried to take the host forum hostage a few years ago.
Rex
Jul 2014
#335
That and there was an ugly thread calling another member to be banned without naming the poster.
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#425
I haven't read all the thread so I missed that.. but, no they don't PPR on a whim.
Cha
Jul 2014
#431
I thought of it as the slime in "Ghostbusters 2" that feeds off negative vibes.
betsuni
Jul 2014
#652