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DonViejo

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Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:35 AM Jul 2014

Phil Donahue’s vindication: Media icon unloads on Fox, Cheney and what happened at MSNBC [View all]

Legendary TV host was fired for opposing Iraq war. Here's how he feels seeing the return of those who got it wrong

ELIAS ISQUITH


As has been well-documented, and will hopefully long be taught in journalism schools nationwide, the run-up to the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was not the American mainstream media’s finest hour. There are plenty of obvious examples — Judith Miller’s reporting for the New York Times, Jeffrey Goldberg’s stuff for the New Yorker, almost everything Peter Beinart did at the New Republic — but perhaps the incident that best encapsulates the hysterical and illiberal atmosphere of the time is the way MSNBC treated Phil Donahue.

The talk-show legend was, at the time, one of the few voices in the mainstream standing against the march to war. He invited antiwar voices onto his show. He questioned the government’s argument for why war was necessary. He cautioned against rushing into an undertaking as grave, monumental and consequential as war. He was getting fine ratings. But he made Chris Matthews — at the time a huge Bush booster — uncomfortable, and network executives worried they’d look bad unless they, too, were “waving the flag at every opportunity.” So Donahue was fired. And then the U.S. went to war. And we all know how that went.

More than a decade later, Iraq is still in chaos — and the media is still giving ample airtime to the very people who created and perpetuated the jingoistic, authoritarian environment that made the suits at MSNBC so very concerned about looking out of step. But while the folks at the networks busied themselves with broadcasting Bill Kristol’s latest insights, Salon figured we’d give Donahue a call and ask him his thoughts about Iraq, the media and the current state of American politics. Our conversation is below, and has been edited for clarity and length.

First of all, what are you up to nowadays?

Well, as you may know, I produced a documentary. It’s an anti-Iraq War documentary. It’s titled “Body of War,” and it is available on Netflix. The film did very well in festivals. People’s Choice at the Toronto International Film Festival, for example, and we also did well in many other places. The documentary has played in quite a few places around the country. Alas, we’ve sold no popcorn, and no distributor would take it still. Iraq docs were falling off the marquee. It’s not “a take your girl to the movie” movie.

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Big K and R. Along with cali's important OP about the Al Jazeera journos jailed in Egypt. riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #1
K&R - Wonderful innterview. myrna minx Jul 2014 #2
Body of War was made in 2007, for clarity. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2014 #3
Chris "We're-All-Neocons-Now" Matthews GreatCaesarsGhost Jul 2014 #4
Chris Mathews was the main reason he was fired.... kentuck Jul 2014 #8
and the asshole now thinks his audience has amnesia! Duppers Jul 2014 #10
Well, what's left of it theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #27
I don't recall Matthews being hawkish during the times I watched ... Auggie Jul 2014 #15
Ohhhh you missed it big time.. 2banon Jul 2014 #29
Oh yeah. Mathews went all slobbery of GWB on the flight deck No Vested Interest Jul 2014 #40
Matthews plays an expert on political matters on TV. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #45
I was watching way before that ... Auggie Jul 2014 #47
Matthews, like today, was a wind vane... Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #46
The question re Matthews re Iraq War - No Vested Interest Jul 2014 #51
It's possible... Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #55
If he was merely reflecting policy, he did it very, very well. SomeGuyInEagan Jul 2014 #59
Thanks Auggie Jul 2014 #57
exactly heaven05 Jul 2014 #79
Apparently you weren't watching the day Tweetie said Dumbya gave him a chill up his leg. nt Doremus Jul 2014 #56
That was the "Mission Accomplished" scenario, I believe. nt No Vested Interest Jul 2014 #60
kick cali Jul 2014 #5
Great interview Brainstormy Jul 2014 #6
kick samsingh Jul 2014 #7
I got to see the demise of 'liberal' media as I saw his show yanked off MSNBC. Prior to that, I'd freshwest Jul 2014 #9
I voted for Jesse in 88 my first vote ever cast rbrnmw Jul 2014 #13
So did I, although it wasn't my first chance to vote. I was furious at the way they treated him. freshwest Jul 2014 #23
was proud be his supporter rbrnmw Jul 2014 #41
"they are not above tossing out some bait to get liberals to tune in" RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #19
Well said! freshwest Jul 2014 #24
K&R. Overseas Jul 2014 #11
More: Hissyspit Jul 2014 #12
Thanks Hissyspit! NealK Jul 2014 #35
money quote, for me mopinko Jul 2014 #70
Phil Donahue's voice is what we are really missing on the Left. Great interview..n/t monmouth3 Jul 2014 #14
Can we talk him into running for Pres.? Mnpaul Jul 2014 #67
A great interview. A voice that has been muzzled. Thanks for posting. nt navarth Jul 2014 #16
With Iraq back in the News...wouldn't it be KoKo Jul 2014 #17
I'd love to see "The Corporation" get a theatrical rerelease too arcane1 Jul 2014 #39
Great film! Saw it at the Castro in SF and the Aquarius in Palo Alto RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #64
Wow, I somehow never knew about the book. Thanks!! arcane1 Jul 2014 #65
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #18
political people and those media people polynomial Jul 2014 #20
Very interesting interview, blue neen Jul 2014 #21
K&R for a great interview. zeemike Jul 2014 #22
Tweety tries to make himself look like a prime opponent of the war today, but Donahue speaks truth: hlthe2b Jul 2014 #25
K&R nt redqueen Jul 2014 #26
Another hearty k&r theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #28
Shameful colsohlibgal Jul 2014 #30
+1 Enthusiast Jul 2014 #44
K & R AzDar Jul 2014 #31
I remember him from back in the 1980's when... lexx21 Jul 2014 #32
It sucks that these days are over. NealK Jul 2014 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author demigoddess Jul 2014 #33
STFU O'Reilly Mnpaul Jul 2014 #68
I will never forget Caretha Jul 2014 #73
I never liked and still heaven05 Jul 2014 #34
"I knew the fan had been turned on high Iwillnevergiveup Jul 2014 #78
K&R ReRe Jul 2014 #37
I generally support Phil Donahue. But on the other hand I have trouble forgiving totodeinhere Jul 2014 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #42
Hey, Keith Olbermann had the highest-rated show on MSNBC too. And look what happened to him. calimary Jul 2014 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #62
Way to go, Phil! I got my eye on Bernie Sanders too. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #43
i know a GW! vet and he is forever going on about they didn't finish the job. the abrupt ending by pansypoo53219 Jul 2014 #48
I remember my grandma used to watch Phil's MSNBC show before she died... Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #49
kick to find after work. n/t hootinholler Jul 2014 #50
MUST READ malaise Jul 2014 #52
I would too. but... DAMANgoldberg Jul 2014 #77
k and r snagglepuss Jul 2014 #53
K&R Stellar Jul 2014 #54
Phil was goring their cash cow HangOnKids Jul 2014 #61
K&R. nt tblue37 Jul 2014 #63
Tweety did what GE did what the Pentagon wanted. McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #66
K&R emsimon33 Jul 2014 #69
brilliant. huge k and r! NRaleighLiberal Jul 2014 #71
Here's my Demopedia post on Tweety, including my seeing Tweety executing Phil on the air UTUSN Jul 2014 #72
The New York Times, MSNBC, CNN with their hired Generals Babel_17 Jul 2014 #74
Oh fudge.. I think most of us remember how devasted we were Cha Jul 2014 #75
K&R arikara Jul 2014 #76
Thanks for the history behind the name "Tweety". And all the other ... northoftheborder Jul 2014 #80
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