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whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
23. Some assumptions here
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 12:27 PM
Jul 2014

Here is the average tech salary according to Dice.



Here is the 2010 list of top H1B sponsors and their H1B salary averages

http://globalcareerstrategies.org/us-company-sponsorship/top-100-h1-b-sponsors/

Some volatility, but absolutely devoid of any noticeable bias towards underpaying, which is of course legally prohibited. Add in the costs of the visa itself and the usual green card support for successful employees and I doubt it's much cheaper.

I have helped interview and hire 3 people for jobs requiring intermediate level expertise in SAP APO configuration over the last few years. We were offering just over 6 figures for each with excellent benefits and relocation, obviously regardless of nationality. Of the 50 or so total CVs received that met the requirements, precisely two came from traditional Americans, the rest Indian with a smattering of Chinese. One turned out to be a total flake who knew less than I did as a user. We hired the other one, and two Indians. India has massive university programs dedicated to SAP configuration and ABAP programming. We have a few SAP training centers that spend more time on user training and are too generic in training on config, even if you pay the 10s of thousands they charge for full certification. For us at least it was not a question of saving money, it was a question of getting somebody who, for example, actually knew how to build a global DP/SNP process chain. Even dangling six figures in a moderate cost of living area found us two Americans who could and would. I have no doubt that other tech hirers face similar issues, but SAP seems to be a very good example. There are indeed American SAP experts, but they seem to prefer consulting companies than settled employment even at comparable pay rates. I have no idea why - hated consulting when I was doing it.

Funnily enough when you find examples of H1B employee abuse, the culprit is very often an Indian firm operating in the US rather than the Microsoft/IBM types.

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It seems that there has been no administration in my life time that has responded amandabeech Jul 2014 #1
The vast majority of undocumented immigrants upaloopa Jul 2014 #40
My experience is very different from yours. amandabeech Jul 2014 #47
Sorry I don't believe you. You give no facts upaloopa Jul 2014 #48
I prefer to hide my community's identity when I discuss this issue with amandabeech Jul 2014 #49
It was a Poison Pill the GOP pushed for FreakinDJ Jul 2014 #2
No, it was a poison pill both the GOP AND Obama pushed for brentspeak Jul 2014 #3
Which Republicans backed this? alp227 Jul 2014 #42
how is H1 visa bad but other immigration good? Travis_0004 Jul 2014 #4
I don't think immigration reform is quite the winner we think it is for the Democratic party. NOVA_Dem Jul 2014 #5
Undocumented immigrants don't compete for union jobs. upaloopa Jul 2014 #44
That shit might work on Republicans so take that elsewhere. Take your straw-man someplace else. NOVA_Dem Jul 2014 #50
No that's just getting out of the 1950s treestar Jul 2014 #6
this smells like an attempt to muddy the president's immigration efforts bigtree Jul 2014 #7
Kindly stuff your manufactured outrage brentspeak Jul 2014 #8
stuff your obvious bigotry bigtree Jul 2014 #9
"You're a bigot": The usual last refuge brentspeak Jul 2014 #10
wives shouldn't be allowed work visas bigtree Jul 2014 #13
I thought all those displaced American female programmers brentspeak Jul 2014 #15
I don't think they're just using the issue of H-1Bs as a wedge against immigration reform efforts bigtree Jul 2014 #16
Yes, I should instead be rah-rahing the administration's efforts brentspeak Jul 2014 #17
...^ that 840high Jul 2014 #38
What is your solution to the problem of the disappearance of well paying jobs pnwmom Jul 2014 #18
He doesn't have one - just the GOP position of giving away what last few good American jobs are left FreakinDJ Jul 2014 #32
Wrong - it increased H1B visas 400% FreakinDJ Jul 2014 #29
Thanks, I stand corrected brentspeak Jul 2014 #31
New H2B visas to take away construction jobs too FreakinDJ Jul 2014 #33
I am beginning to think it's no use. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #52
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #11
"Your loss is some socially-liberal but middle-class-destroying millionaire's gain." pa28 Jul 2014 #12
complaining because the president is offering the spouses of workers a chance to get jobs is bigotry bigtree Jul 2014 #14
The spouses should be able to get jobs on the same basis the original worker does. pnwmom Jul 2014 #19
that concern makes sense bigtree Jul 2014 #21
I don't understand the need for all those other restrictions -- having a bank account, for example, pnwmom Jul 2014 #25
it has to do with the government's requirement for documentation bigtree Jul 2014 #28
Those sound like obstacles that could and should be removed, pnwmom Jul 2014 #34
I think it's right on the mark as well Populist_Prole Jul 2014 #30
Don't you have something better to do? chowder66 Jul 2014 #20
Unrec. FSogol Jul 2014 #22
Some assumptions here whatthehey Jul 2014 #23
"Workers of the WORLD Unite!" Is still a damned good idea. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #24
+1 leftstreet Jul 2014 #26
What a bunch of crap Stargazer99 Jul 2014 #27
Your familiar negative posts about Obama and those nasty democrats. The record never changes. Pisces Jul 2014 #35
straight to trash this thread rbrnmw Jul 2014 #36
Yep, that's why I'm not a supporter of the Democrats current immigration reform Larkspur Jul 2014 #37
Sorry. 840high Jul 2014 #39
"I see this reform package as a way to help Wall Street increase it's ability to screw American..." OhioChick Jul 2014 #41
So all of these women and children seeking refuge on the border is just a Skidmore Jul 2014 #43
say it ain't so! Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #45
Why are all the silicon valley billionaires pushing for reform? AngryAmish Jul 2014 #46
That law is of the 1950s treestar Jul 2014 #51
K&R. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #53
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