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In reply to the discussion: Somewhere a bridge has gained its Troll back. [View all]kcr
(15,522 posts)593. I still don't get it. Are Quinnox's and his supporters' alert buttons broken or something?
If your contention is that those offended by him should have just ignored him, then it doesn't follow that it's everyone else's fault that Quinnox got banned because he was their target. It weakens your argument that admins capriciously banned a longtimer on the whims of a group of posters. If Admin are so heavy handed as you seem to be claiming, ignore is the best bet for everyone.
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they were constantly "gaming" the system posting insults then editing and self deleting
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#21
I think Earl G and the majority of feminists here got it right- he was a deliberate shit stirrer who
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#61
Bettyellen has it exactly right. He was very clever in putting a toe over the line and then
MADem
Jul 2014
#185
nonsense, many people asked him diplomatically to delete or apologize. you may never have seen it,
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#128
a conflict of values- not personalities. but progressive values "annoy" quite a few here.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#241
If you read both the self-deleted Hobby Lobby thread and the self-locked shaving thread
Gormy Cuss
Jul 2014
#80
See one of my other replies dealing with my paraphrase of someone else's post.
IdaBriggs
Jul 2014
#130
so you think racists should be allowed and it's up to other members to just ignore if they are
JI7
Jul 2014
#238
That OP instructing people how to trash threads was a thinly veiled swipe at the Hobby Lobby ruling
cyberswede
Jul 2014
#272
'Trolling' is not always aimed at the people with whom you're directly interacting.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jul 2014
#359
and a few hosts convinced the lot that there is nothing they can do- every other forum's hosts
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#383
it really took that host's blatant admission of discrimination + the silly "one strong leave" crap
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#510
that hosts have become convinced that the SOP means nothing at all by a few hosts that
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#509
I would rather call them lies and half truths to meet an agenda, the host who posted
Autumn
Jul 2014
#524
Wait! Do you mean to say host didn't vote to leave that thread and anyone saying they did ...
Hassin Bin Sober
Jul 2014
#522
There was no discussion because a jury hid it before anyone could post on it.
maddezmom
Jul 2014
#525
That's the entire thread, ask your buddy. She can see it There is no discussion on locking it,
Autumn
Jul 2014
#529
You are a host with access to the host forum and you could have easily known how that alert went.
Autumn
Jul 2014
#633
it will take a few days for this to all settle down, a lot of angry things were posted
Autumn
Jul 2014
#639
A current member with 5 recent hides whose posting privileges have been revoked.
IdaBriggs
Jul 2014
#606
There is no decent rationalization for grave dancing. It's right off the junior high schoolyard. n
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#654
Dealing with SOP alerts based on who one likes or doesn't like is also beneath liberal Democrats
BainsBane
Jul 2014
#660
So your rationalization is that bullying and mob rule is justified if it's for a righteous cause.
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#663
It's you that has it backwards. You are not the victim. You were not harassed by a gang of people,
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#666
If rules are broken there are procedures that can be followed. It shouldn't be necessary
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#669
Not saying anything in the correct forum, where you know, we discuss this stuff
boston bean
Jul 2014
#672
And you continue to trash hosts. Seems to me that if you can't convince hosts to do
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#683
There would have been a lot less ugliness if he would have been dealt with appropriately.
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#670
This is what's petty Spazito, a host saying things about hosts that are not true.
Autumn
Jul 2014
#568
Had that been your intent, one would have thought you would have posted that instead of...
Spazito
Jul 2014
#640
WTF? You're listed as a host of GD and have been for two months. How are you "not hosting"? n/t
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#635
Not going to answer the question about how you would feel if someone...
Hassin Bin Sober
Jul 2014
#620
I didn't answer your red herring 'question' because it didn't relate to the post to which you...
Spazito
Jul 2014
#621
I am not cheering, I want her to explain exactly what she *thought* she meant.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#592
If I outright lie about something, please let me know. I honestly try not to do that.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#597
No host ignored it, it was hidden by a jury before a discussion could even occur
maddezmom
Jul 2014
#538
I love that she defend's Q's right to offend and snark to the end, but yours, not so much. LOL.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#146
So you *will* catch shit, and rightfully so, for blaming his actions on others. Deal with it.
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#149
The point is that when 'wcgreen' is a topic, it is in relation to his very serious health problems,
LeftishBrit
Jul 2014
#484
Exactly! In the past month, there were 3 OPs about WCGreen. 20+ for the word soccer...
Phentex
Jul 2014
#491
I still don't get it. Are Quinnox's and his supporters' alert buttons broken or something?
kcr
Jul 2014
#593
I'm a feminist who doesn't get drawn into DU's flamefests or drama. Quinnox was unequivocally
KittyWampus
Jul 2014
#102
"it's trolls like Quinnox who make DU suck, not those who stand up to jackasses like him"
Number23
Jul 2014
#428
I actually DID have him on ignore, and STILL I couldn't escape his trolling, because it always
Squinch
Jul 2014
#447
it doesn't matter whether you know who someone is, just the fact that he brags and laughs about
JI7
Jul 2014
#224
he has made a lot of ugly hateful commentss about African americans also, including negative
JI7
Jul 2014
#226
Usually his nonsense posts were connected to an earlier offense, a way of rubbing the salt in...
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#83
Pretty slick, huh? He put a lot of thought into maximizing offence and minimizing blow back so that
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#199
He caused major issues in the host forum yesterday. He locked his own thread without consensus.
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#34
I don't know for sure but I think the admins look for overall patterns of disruption...
Phentex
Jul 2014
#39
he held some sway in the Hosts forum, where they ignore sexism and racism these days....
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#259
on THAT one topic perhaps. Generally, a few hosts enjoyed beating up on alerters with him.
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#282
So your point is what? That Hassin Bin Sober said something snarky in the hosts forum?
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#287
This is 100% true, when you spoke up- you were insulted and mocked by hosts.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#299
because if gd hosting was left only to those who want to lock up everything gd would suck.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#327
no one could have found a reason to lock "women should be raped" because it's "authoritarian"
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#339
And that is just a lie. That op was hidden by jury before it ever got to the hosts.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#566
given the other rule: consensus, consistency is pretty much impossible.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#492
I saw what was posted from the host forum, and it was clear what was happening.
Sheldon Cooper
Jul 2014
#326
He found the weaknesses in the more libertarian hosts' "rules" they were making up, and exploited
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#341
if only that was the only host beating up on Duers instead of this troll- one blamed everyone but Q
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#295
and the posts between what you responded to and this one are a pretty big clue as to what
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#347
Because you never ever post hot headed / alert worthy. He was trolling for reactions to alert on
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#151
he didn't want to self delete another entire OP, so he PMd an host (one of those that defend
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#160
This thing where he edited posts to make them nastier and more disruptive AFTER they had
Squinch
Jul 2014
#453
yeah- how is that an issue of current event? What a shit hole GD has become! You'd think some
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#318
I should be surprised by that sort of thing here..and would have been on DU2.
mtnester
Jul 2014
#430
" You wouldn't recognize racism or sexism if they assaulted you in broad daylight."
AverageJoe90
Jul 2014
#232
With all due respect, he has personally helped you people to learn, in all honesty,
betsuni
Jul 2014
#476
My dad used to say the same thing. He used to say that the minute they say something to the
Squinch
Jul 2014
#612
If people were being honest, they would say, "I'm about to start lying to you now."
Squinch
Jul 2014
#617
Well, I can at least how the abuse of hosting privileges would be a problem.
AverageJoe90
Jul 2014
#258
when someone is "careless" all the fucking time, for years it is not a mistake....
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#305
Thanks for the rundown, cs.. yeah, he had that "me innocent.. it's everyone's else who's
Cha
Jul 2014
#415
"His schtick was to post offensive stuff, and then act all innocent - like he did it unintentionally
Number23
Jul 2014
#466
This is a very succinct accurate assessment of the last straw. Thank you.
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#132
the "others " maily being feminists and POC, as liked to mock both- so I am thinking
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#32
many people missed disgusting things he posted because he'd "self delete" constantly-
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#45
I missed alot of that I think- but did see him act like an ass on more then one occasion.
Marrah_G
Jul 2014
#94
Ahhh, I thought trolling was just posting to antagonize and disrupt others?
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#100
I'd have to respectfully disagree. His comments on women and black people usually hovered between
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2014
#86
OK. In that case I'll say, he occasionally dabbled in trollism. nt
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2014
#116
despite most often leaving these open- he will get special treatment from his host friends. Again..
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#66
No I did not. Amazing the hosts are leaning towards one last favor to their friend the troll, by
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#73
It's not an SOP violation and the jury handles alerts for people who think it's offensive.
boston bean
Jul 2014
#109
Thanks, I am sorry if it offends and locking this would likely be perceived as another favor
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#120
Yeah, just like Quinnox, if you had no history- you might think it was all an innocent mistake.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#144
I saw that immediately. When I hosted a few times, there were always a few who tried to
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#173
The lack of certainty and consistency makes it really hard for anyone new
theHandpuppet
Jul 2014
#176
wtf? "did you know there are hosts who keep lists of "groups" DUers they dislike and dissuade..."
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#177
Oh yeah- I am in a "group" to be ignored. Not one other GD host defended us alerters who
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#192
Thank you. And now for the suspicious, what was sent I had already seen and noticed, just forgot
uppityperson
Jul 2014
#196
totally agree. Earl says there will be changes, and hopefully switching out the hosts sooner
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#87
and the hosts refuse to address openly RW , sexist or racist OPs at all as disruptive....
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#166
Edward Snowden, Greenwald - and those obsessive about "Third Way" Dems like Bill Clinton
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#187
It took a long time for that host to explain what my "group" was supposed to be!
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#202
Thank you- I was considering posting an OP about it, but am not as good at that as some people
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#218
me, zappaman, number 23, peace nikki (the only one I actually knew, LOL) and I think cormy guss?
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#441
"Kind of ironic coming from a group of people who take back-room secret agreements so seriously".
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#362
You are WELCOME! It took a long time to get the truth out about "the group"- but yeah it's
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#413
Well when we (+4) were "grouped" by that host I did not understand the connection at all.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#507
I mentioned it in context of general tone and host accountability in the animosity that continues.
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#551
A post that's RW, sexist, racist, or otherwise disruptive is a jury matter.
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#308
exactly. this is what started the whole mess between GD hosts and other hosts
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#311
The SOP has been stretched to cover everything to the point where "Women should be raped" is
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#314
"Women should be raped" is obvious flamebait, but it's not an SOP violation for GD.
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#320
politics issues and current events is STILL in the SOP- just like that idiotic "one strong leave"
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#332
You're arguing that hosts should function as juries. That makes no sense.
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#367
If I go up to the OP and click the "this post is disruptive" button, where will the alert go?
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#384
You do get that a disruptive, off-topic post can, in fact, be both against SOP and CS, right?
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#385
Yes, I get that. I also get that hosts hide SOP violations, not CS violations.
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#386
huh. so that paragraph skinner wrote means nothing? why are we called 'hosts' if we're like robots
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#389
most hosts would deny this: "you are empowered to use your own best judgment "
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#387
Some hosts have convinced others there is no SOP anymore- only because it was stretched for harmless
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#375
I'm arguing they can- and have been encouraged by Skinner to follow the SOP at times when it is
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#398
The rules are made up- and remade constantly- mostly by the most vocal and libertarian leaning hosts
freshwest
Jul 2014
#515
I had no idea this was going on, honestly. It's very disappointing. I pay for a star like others.
freshwest
Jul 2014
#607
And as we now know, your claim that the hosts allowed the op "Women should be raped"
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#560
That's scary stuff there. Sad but good to know. It feels that way at times...
freshwest
Jul 2014
#459
Thanks! Every stinking Quinnox thread, I would get 3-4 bad alerts. Dude has minions!
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#105
reminds me of when hosts get angry when you ask why and label it harrassment......
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#103
The DU Gods are sometimes slow, but they usually catch up in the end. You Better Believe It!
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#111
Don't care so much that he locked his own OP. The wcgreen thing was inexcusable.
stevenleser
Jul 2014
#112
but dkf was a little better at it, this one would post obvious racist, sexist crap
JI7
Jul 2014
#220
and this is because hosts suddenly took a blind eye toward RW, sexist and racist crap....
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#237
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that crap going down in the Host Forum. nt
msanthrope
Jul 2014
#263
Not by a longshot. But quinnox and others turn ALL attempts to address it into attacks on the
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#265
Too many of the hosts have expressed open hostility to alerters. They hate the system, and allowed a
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#273
I did not understand the connection to those obsessed with Third Wayers until the discriminating
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#266
if your priority is NSA data but not women being jailed and scoped against their wills- you're a
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#289
Every fucking time I replied to his posts, I would get alerts. His scam was to inflame people
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#150
wow. that bad, eh? He really flew under my radar until just recently.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jul 2014
#167
I am pretty sure it was a drawer full, by the volume of BS alerts I assume he had a few
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#170
I had him on ignore for a long time.. something smelled fishy. Look at all I missed until this
Cha
Jul 2014
#436
Mine too, I went to add a name to replace- and THREE slots had opened up in the last 10-12 weeks
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#352
OOOhhh...."blacklist". I get to drop him, and add another of his ilk. Thanks for the reminder.
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#366
Sounds like he had a habit of crowding his luck and it finally caught up with him.
winter is coming
Jul 2014
#131
it's a pattern of antagonistic behavior coupled with openly racist and sexist attitudes that clued
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#134
Anything Democrats were unified about, he always wanted to change the subject. Big clue!
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#157
I knew he had issues, wasn't sure about the source, but the afro thingie speaks volumes.
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#188
you know, it used to bother me to see the saved links- but after this? No more.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#211
Yeah, if he wasn't a ratfucker I don't know who is. Well, actually I do.....
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#208
well, 20% of my jury blacklist has been PPR in the last two months, so I can pick em alright.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#396
I am not judging alerts by WHO alerted on WHO, as some hosts admittedly do.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#297
I'm saying that you are continually misrepresenting what it is that hosts are supposed to do
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#307
Very few hosts correct others when they trash alerters, or people in the flamebait thread...
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#343
one of the current hosts often calls perfectly reasonable alerts "disruptive"
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#346
disruptive if you are Libertarian or an anarchist- but not if you agreed to the TOS here, FFS.
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#348
I took to heart the part where skinner said hosts are too make members feel welcome.
PeaceNikki
Jul 2014
#351
and to take a look at the effort made and intent of the thread - if they effort and intent are small
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#354
It is impossible to believe that those who want to "leave everything" actually believe that was
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#361
we both know there is no actual agreement on what hosts are *supposed* to do
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#310
well- they have been convinced by some others that no matter how extreme the sexism or racism -
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#390
yeah, pretty intentional. very funny how the "one strong leave" thing was discarded after
bettyellen
Jul 2014
#402
One logical conclusion to the HL decision is to take companies out of the equation.
NutmegYankee
Jul 2014
#371
Very true that "trolling" isn't necessarily intentional. The effect matters more than the motive.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#419
I'm not sure about the first part of your post. he was always complaining about the so called
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2014
#291
Agreed but my point my mean nothing. it sometimes takes the cave awhile to pick up
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#325
Reminds me of the fella that tried to take the host forum hostage a few years ago.
Rex
Jul 2014
#335
That and there was an ugly thread calling another member to be banned without naming the poster.
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#425
I haven't read all the thread so I missed that.. but, no they don't PPR on a whim.
Cha
Jul 2014
#431
I thought of it as the slime in "Ghostbusters 2" that feeds off negative vibes.
betsuni
Jul 2014
#652