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enlightenment

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46. Problem is that when this started,
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:22 PM
Jul 2014

the comment that was made was constructed as an absolute. I believe the expression was "Older white people are the GOP demographic. Period"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025065109#post65

Words have meaning - and a failure to use words also conveys meaning. Your original statement was an absolute - no modifiers - followed by a doubling down absolute ("period&quot , followed by a reply of "bullshit, it's a fact".

Now you are annoyed because people are upset with you, but you keep layering it on without considering what you are actually saying. NOW you are modifying your statement to "older, white and male" but that isn't what you said before.

What you said yesterday - an absolute - is that ALL older white people vote GOP. That's a brush so broad it's a wonder you could hold it up to make that swipe.

Today it is slightly modified to MOST older white males (an overwhelming majority, presumably) vote GOP.

Slightly better, but still encompassing a pretty broad swathe in an indeterminate statement.

Now, I believe that isn't what you mean. You mean that SOME older white males fall into that demographic - or even MOST older white males - or perhaps A MAJORITY of older white males. Problem is that we, the readers, just don't know what you mean, because the addition of modifiers that would make your statement sound like you care enough to be accurate are missing.

You are offering no evidence for your assertion - the most reliable sources I have found suggest that yes - white voters tend to lean GOP. They do not suggest that "older white people" or "older white males" overwhelmingly lean GOP.

Gallup (2013) agrees that most GOP voters are non-Hispanic white (89%), but offers no evidence of age groupings or even gender.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans-mostly-white.aspx

The 2012 Pew Poll, which is much more detailed, reveals a similar percentage (87%) but the breakdown into gender and age shows no "overwhelming" percentage - unless, of course, you are classifying "older" as anyone over 30.


It is your lack of precision that creates the problem. People are going to read what you write; on a message board that's all they have to go on.

Please, please, please, please, i would like to know too. bravenak Jul 2014 #1
it's not Vattel Jul 2014 #2
I dont understand why any older, white DU members would be bothered by that at all randys1 Jul 2014 #3
omg....i got so much shit for stating this fact in another thread noiretextatique Jul 2014 #5
I want to know too, I had a post hidden because I called the Murrieta folks randys1 Jul 2014 #7
well... noiretextatique Jul 2014 #9
Of course not, at the same time stating the obvious about who the rightwing is may not be randys1 Jul 2014 #17
lol. because you asked nicely......./sarc yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #45
It's like getting mad at someone for claiming Half-Century Man Jul 2014 #39
Problem is that when this started, enlightenment Jul 2014 #46
none of this parsing changes the facts noiretextatique Jul 2014 #56
Actually, the facts "parsed" enlightenment Jul 2014 #58
It is a problem because that dead horse is constantly being beaten around here Art_from_Ark Jul 2014 #38
I think these folks are absolutely paranoid about broad brushing. Probably because it's something Number23 Jul 2014 #35
Never understand or DO...me either! I have a good friend on a different forum randys1 Jul 2014 #42
Because there are a lot of older, white, male Democrats? Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #4
and...what does that have to do with the FACT noiretextatique Jul 2014 #6
IMHO the Democratic party uses more honey than vinegar. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #11
i am just stating the FACTS noiretextatique Jul 2014 #13
It's not a problem for me. I was trying to answer your OP question, Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #21
i am posting on DU, not running for office noiretextatique Jul 2014 #23
No one here should get shit for posting that as fact here Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #36
And apple pie is better with ice cream, but it has nothing to do with what the OP said randys1 Jul 2014 #8
You don't think being the party of inclusion matters at all? Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #14
wtf does that have to do with the FACT noiretextatique Jul 2014 #19
It has to do with the fact of politics. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #27
and last time i checked, i am not the president noiretextatique Jul 2014 #29
Oh, you mean here? Well that's different. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #30
Who said anything about that? One has nothing to do with the other randys1 Jul 2014 #25
Depends who's pointing it out. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #28
OP says GOP voters are etc randys1 Jul 2014 #31
see post 23 n/t Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #37
I'm 45 years old, white, straight, and male. Aristus Jul 2014 #10
And more stupid -- elfin Jul 2014 #12
LOL noiretextatique Jul 2014 #15
I saw the bump up JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #16
no...it does not noiretextatique Jul 2014 #18
Peckerwoods hoping for wood? Tom Ripley Jul 2014 #20
Yep, they are O, W, M RobertEarl Jul 2014 #22
Which idiot righty said he was afraid that people vote who dont know how serious randys1 Jul 2014 #32
It's a puzzler. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #24
Obvious fact, not a problem for this middle aged white male Democrat nt steve2470 Jul 2014 #26
"whiter" ... "maler"? Jenoch Jul 2014 #33
Perhaps the way you brought it up and stated it was a bit abrupt muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #34
I contributed to that thread. As a human being, as a woman, as a liberal, I have tried... Hekate Jul 2014 #44
what do reckon the demographics of non voters to be? GusBob Jul 2014 #40
What I notice, both in the GOP and in it's omission here, is how Heterosexual the Republican voters Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #41
I'm older, white, and male..I was the liberal from the 60s who would put you to shame.. Sancho Jul 2014 #43
It's one of DU's greatest unsolved mysteries. nt Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #47
Noiretextique - I had a thought JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #48
The good news is they are dying off every day too... Historic NY Jul 2014 #49
Okay. Here's another FACT: White people make up a majority of the Democratic base. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #50
Right here. bravenak Jul 2014 #51
Ans.: Recognize that "white people" are not the enemy; nor are "older people." But somehow... Hekate Jul 2014 #52
do you feel love towards people who vote for the GOP? noiretextatique Jul 2014 #57
Take it one more step JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #54
there are more white people in this country JI7 Jul 2014 #55
Not "maler", but definitely female-phobic. southerncrone Jul 2014 #53
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