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In reply to the discussion: Yes, white men are being oppressed. [View all]Because white men ARE separate from the Plutocracy!!!
Are you a Plutocrat? Are any of the white men you know a part of the Plutocracy? No. Chances are 100% of the white men you know are struggling like everyone else. MAYBE LESS SO, but still, the axe can fall at any moment upon any one of them.
Herman Cain ain't white.
They're predicting a global depression and population crash in 2030. This is a big fat setup, ProSense. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/next-great-depression-mit-researchers-predict-global-economic-190352944.html
White people may be better off today, but when 2030 hits and the Plutocracy starts cashing humanity out with a whole slew of manufactured (read: PHONY) shortages, 99% of all whites will be the (racist word of the day) along with everyone else. It won't mean a hill of beans whether whites have it better than blacks - we'll all be flushed out.
Are you a Plutocrat? Are any of the white men you know a part of the Plutocracy? No. Chances are 100% of the white men you know are struggling like everyone else. MAYBE LESS SO, but still, the axe can fall at any moment upon any one of them.
Herman Cain ain't white.
They're predicting a global depression and population crash in 2030. This is a big fat setup, ProSense. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/next-great-depression-mit-researchers-predict-global-economic-190352944.html
White people may be better off today, but when 2030 hits and the Plutocracy starts cashing humanity out with a whole slew of manufactured (read: PHONY) shortages, 99% of all whites will be the (racist word of the day) along with everyone else. It won't mean a hill of beans whether whites have it better than blacks - we'll all be flushed out.
So "Herman Cain ain't white" means that blacks are the oppressors? First, I'm not white and not male.
See, that's your entire point: White men are oppressed because some white men are struggling. It's a false equivalency because in an all white nation, there would be people struggling.
Let's discuss the myth of white privilege.
From the OP:
Yes, white men are being oppressed.
So are black men, gays, white women, straight people, black women, religious folks, Hispanic men and women, atheists... in fact, all of America's working class, 99% of our population, is being oppressed.
So are black men, gays, white women, straight people, black women, religious folks, Hispanic men and women, atheists... in fact, all of America's working class, 99% of our population, is being oppressed.
You see, that's not a "we're all in this together statement" because you used the title to invalidate notion that white men are the oppressors and to invalidate the struggles of other groups as equivalent. You were making a point about income inequality, but you made the emphasis a false equivalency. Like I said up thread, it's the same argument used by white men to attack policies that address discrimination and inequality.
Webb Calls For White Americans To End Government Directed Diversity Programs
Our guest blogger is Sam Fulwood III, a Senior Fellow with the Center for American Progress Action Fund.
Maybe Sen. James Webb, the Democratic senator from Virginia, didnt understand that what he was saying made him sound like a mossback from the last century. In a bizarre and unfortunate opinion article published in Fridays Wall Street Journal. Im being charitable because surely the Democratic senator from Virginia didnt mean to sound as bigoted as the article makes him seem. No, surely he wasnt arguing that white Americans suffer from federal policies that favor everyone but themselves.
Those who came to this country in recent decades from Asia, Latin America and Africa did not suffer discrimination from our government, and in fact have frequently been the beneficiaries of special government programs, Webb wrote, arguing for a retreat from those unspecified federal programs. The same cannot be said of many hard-working white Americans, including those whose roots in America go back more than 200 years.
Beyond being grossly ignorant about the current effects of what he calls present-day diversity programs, Webb is engaging in reckless racial inversion. While he carefully exculpates black Americans, whom he describes as still in need, Webb makes a scurrilous case that white Americans southerners and Baptists, in particular are being harmed by nonwhite groups who receive special consideration in a wide variety of areas including business startups, academic admissions, job promotions and lucrative government contracts. His solution is a call for white people to unite and end government directed diversity programs.
Clearly, Webb is unaware that affirmative actions programs have been effectively dismantled by the Supreme Court. But worse, hes oblivious to the fact that his screed treads dangerously close to the discredited divide-and-conqueror tactics of the Southern strategy. In this new formation, Webb pits the sweeping and swelling segments of Americas immigrant population against native-born Americans with the aim of rallying the nations white cultures.
If he thinks this is a necessary step toward racial healing, especially after the week the nations just had, then hes even more misguided than his article reveals. Somebody, perhaps one of his congressional colleagues, needs to tell Sen.Webb to get his head out of the last, sad epoch of covert racist talk and join the rest of America in the 21st century.
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/07/23/webb-wsj/
Our guest blogger is Sam Fulwood III, a Senior Fellow with the Center for American Progress Action Fund.
Maybe Sen. James Webb, the Democratic senator from Virginia, didnt understand that what he was saying made him sound like a mossback from the last century. In a bizarre and unfortunate opinion article published in Fridays Wall Street Journal. Im being charitable because surely the Democratic senator from Virginia didnt mean to sound as bigoted as the article makes him seem. No, surely he wasnt arguing that white Americans suffer from federal policies that favor everyone but themselves.
Those who came to this country in recent decades from Asia, Latin America and Africa did not suffer discrimination from our government, and in fact have frequently been the beneficiaries of special government programs, Webb wrote, arguing for a retreat from those unspecified federal programs. The same cannot be said of many hard-working white Americans, including those whose roots in America go back more than 200 years.
Beyond being grossly ignorant about the current effects of what he calls present-day diversity programs, Webb is engaging in reckless racial inversion. While he carefully exculpates black Americans, whom he describes as still in need, Webb makes a scurrilous case that white Americans southerners and Baptists, in particular are being harmed by nonwhite groups who receive special consideration in a wide variety of areas including business startups, academic admissions, job promotions and lucrative government contracts. His solution is a call for white people to unite and end government directed diversity programs.
Clearly, Webb is unaware that affirmative actions programs have been effectively dismantled by the Supreme Court. But worse, hes oblivious to the fact that his screed treads dangerously close to the discredited divide-and-conqueror tactics of the Southern strategy. In this new formation, Webb pits the sweeping and swelling segments of Americas immigrant population against native-born Americans with the aim of rallying the nations white cultures.
If he thinks this is a necessary step toward racial healing, especially after the week the nations just had, then hes even more misguided than his article reveals. Somebody, perhaps one of his congressional colleagues, needs to tell Sen.Webb to get his head out of the last, sad epoch of covert racist talk and join the rest of America in the 21st century.
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/07/23/webb-wsj/
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We are NOT being oppressed equaly, lets give this one up, In EVERY society where theres a ruling...
uponit7771
Apr 2012
#1
+1. And that's exactly what the modern "rights" discourse encourages us to do. Not to mention
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#45
Racism is like a termite infestation. Nobody is arguing that the termites are not a problem.
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#154
+1 to prosense, ignoring the "Southern Strategy" emboldens these bastards to enact anti voter
uponit7771
Apr 2012
#183
"The first step toward standing together is not telling other people to shut up"
Aerows
Apr 2012
#221
so long as the focus is primarily on the views of individuals, so long as the discourse of
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#47
Please learn history: MLK Jr. was assassinated during his Poor People's Campaign
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#206
Three weeks after the post was posted, and you still couldn't bother to read it?
Number23
Apr 2012
#226
And you may wish to evaluate leaping into a thread THREE WEEKS after it was started
Number23
May 2012
#234
The 1%ers are not diverse but the rest of us are. White, black, Hispanic, men and women.
libinnyandia
Apr 2012
#218
It's an ethnicity, one which historically hasn't always been coextensive with "white". FYI.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#102
The content was that only 8% of American families owned slaves on the eve of the Civil War.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#106
The religious "wars" have always been underlaid with economics. It's just that most
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#103
Yeah, except Marx invented the proletariat, lumpenproletariat and petit bourgeoisie.
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#143
This is part of what I was trying to say and encourage discussion about with this OP:
stevenleser
Apr 2012
#40
You're absolutely right, and we can see how effective it is right here in the replies.
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2012
#41
Except the poster didn't say any of that. And this refusal to address the kind of points he makes
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#48
Yes, I read his post, as well as your direct quote and your interpretation of its meaning.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#50
Yes, people are free to interpret words in their "own way". People are also free to point out that
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#63
"when income inequality wasn't as bad as it is now, say 40 years ago, who were the oppressors?"
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#64
As you ascribed your "own interpretation" to the previous poster's words, so you've ascribed your
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#71
You're saying that white men and the plutocracy are coextensive categories? If so, that's so
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#74
So you *are* saying that "plutocracy" and "white males" are the same thing, then? I wasn't
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#84
I have no earthly idea how you managed to get that out of what I wrote.
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2012
#59
Yes, but to be clear, they are not evil because they are white and/or male.
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2012
#76
I'm sorry you feel that way. It is not my intention to dismiss or trivialize
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2012
#86
I'd argue that so long as the problem of economic justice isn't addressed or solved, no individual
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#77
Where do I say that all other oppression is irrelevant? Where do I say that economic justice
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#82
Funny how we're fighting the battle of birth control again, eh? Why do you think that is?
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#87
No one has asked anyone to give up their interests and needs. No one has ruled out "coalition"
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#97
The poster didn't say that there is racial profiling and that blacks are a disproportionate %
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#95
You made a veiled accusation. If you're not prepared to state it explicitly, why are you making it?
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#142
Unlike yourself, I don't make broad assumptions about what people "mean" from one statement.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#149
It's basic linguistics, you interpret the meaning of what is said. Literalism...
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#187
Love how the flaming amongst each other in this thread proves the exact point of your post.
tjwash
Apr 2012
#93
Pointing out disparities is NOT us being together. There are some progressive that don't think
uponit7771
Apr 2012
#104
+1, "hard to convince these people to fight said disparities if they don't think they exist"
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#140
Oh, God. This thread... I weep for this web site. Or I would if I felt it had any hope at all.
Number23
Apr 2012
#122
I weep for the fact that you can't see how the 1% is dividing us against each other.
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#150
Post #47 said it right about you. Your staunch ignorance is exactly why the 1% prevails.
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#155
When you can prove it was the elite that inflicted Hell on black people's lives
Number23
Apr 2012
#156
Your wild eyed rants and raves are not "arguments", hence there is no dispute.
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#199
Yes, run away with your tail between your legs. And take your laughable arguments with you.
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#204
President Obama said it even better than I did. So go ahead and hate on him, too.
Zalatix
Apr 2012
#162
Post #47 says nothing about the poster you're talking to and nothing about ignorance.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#160