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25. it's absolutely undemocratic

Thu Jul 10, 2014, 10:36 PM

Jul 2014

. . . the way presidents are allowed to negotiate these trade deals; “trade promotion authority” that empowers presidents to negotiate trade deals in secret and then present them to Congress for up-or-down votes, with no amendments allowed.

If ratified, the proposals - the Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific Trade and Investment Partnerships - would create the largest free-trade zone in the world. Instead of trying to get Congress to give him authority to ram this thing through, the president should welcome Congress' input in crafting any deal.

That would help insure that American workers concerns, and U.S. environmental and other concerns are put forward first, and not as an afterthought or wish and a prayer for other countries to address.

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How @#$%ing Stupid Are We? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 OP

Damn thing has not even been completed yet. bradla Jul 2014 #1

Thanks Brad HangOnKids Jul 2014 #5

Japanese politicians know what's in it Art_from_Ark Jul 2014 #6

The fact that we we "have no idea what will be in it" is precisely the point. arcane1 Jul 2014 #13

the administration should release their draft bigtree Jul 2014 #15

I agree, bigtree, if they had the courage of their convictions it would all be debated in the open. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #21

it's absolutely undemocratic bigtree Jul 2014 #25

Things took a hard right undemocratic turn Go Vols Jul 2014 #43

Yes. It was mourning in America. CrispyQ Jul 2014 #86

Great letter. Thanks. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #51

Fail! Duppers Jul 2014 #31

We do know some of what is in it thanks to Whistle Blowers, AGAIN. If you do not, then you haven't sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #57

Damn skippy. pa28 Jul 2014 #59

double plus... sendero Jul 2014 #77

+1 again. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #83

Thank you for spanking the troll LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #84

Your guidance is appreciated Enthusiast Jul 2014 #81

You should write that book/pamphlet. temporary311 Jul 2014 #2

Anger is a good step RobertEarl Jul 2014 #3

We have paper ballots in my county. CrispyQ Jul 2014 #87

Did voters know in advance Obama would back the TPP? leftstreet Jul 2014 #4

I don't think it's about Obama per se, but all (or nearly all) our elected leaders, D or R. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #14

Yes ... GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #76

spare us the fucking drama bigtree Jul 2014 #7

more drama~ sigh sheshe2 Jul 2014 #8

Sorry that we disagree on the TPP MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #9

To see those two mock drama Oilwellian Jul 2014 #16

it looked like a cry for help bigtree Jul 2014 #19

neither of us know what is happening. sheshe2 Jul 2014 #18

But you agree that keeping it secret is a good idea, no? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #20

You don't speak for me Manny. sheshe2 Jul 2014 #24

So what's your beef with what I wrote? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #26

Don't ask deep questions!!! HangOnKids Jul 2014 #29

All is for the best, believe in what we're told. Maedhros Jul 2014 #70

Well that most certainly was not in your OP! sheshe2 Jul 2014 #30

You just didn't read completely HangOnKids Jul 2014 #32

So where was the Elizabeth Warren quote in his OP? sheshe2 Jul 2014 #34

So do you agree with our senator on this subject? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #37

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #39

This was in the OP????? sheshe2 Jul 2014 #44

Soooo. sheshe2 Jul 2014 #49

Go fishing elsewhere she HangOnKids Jul 2014 #50

Wow! Brava! sheshe2 Jul 2014 #60

that would be too HangOnKids Jul 2014 #63

What an odd post. Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #66

Ya think~ sheshe2 Jul 2014 #72

Jury voted 4 to 3 to leave it. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #74

Thanks SKP...Luv ya sheshe2 Jul 2014 #75

Maybe so, however I did read the Op and thread. sheshe2 Jul 2014 #68

And you still haven't weighed in: do you back Elizabeth Warren on the TPP? nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #64

Did you read Elizabeth Warren's letter? JDPriestly Jul 2014 #58

We do know some of what's happening. We know eg, that Congress has been denied sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #80

More apathy for actual issues. Marr Jul 2014 #91

More frivolous claims against this President conservaphobe Jul 2014 #10

The President's against the TPP? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #11

... MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #22

...^ that 840high Jul 2014 #48

That wduld be great news, agreed! sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #88

Write it!!!! arcane1 Jul 2014 #12

I would buy it...n/t Oilwellian Jul 2014 #17

TPP is a good reason to have progressive Presidents betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #23

Wow, Manny espouses 'TPP garbage' with no facts or links, and babylonsister Jul 2014 #27

Me and Elizabeth Warren MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #28

No. She's 'deeply concerned', your sky is falling, always. babylonsister Jul 2014 #33

Where did I say that the sky is falling - or the equivalent MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #35

Here you go! babylonsister Jul 2014 #41

Senator Warren on Obama's plans to slash Social Security: "who will be left to starve" MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #46

Got it, this is your issue you care deeply about. babylonsister Jul 2014 #53

+1 sheshe2 Jul 2014 #36

+100 bigtree Jul 2014 #40

Big business will not lose. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #38

Easy, we surrendered. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #42

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #45

The TPP is a piece of CRAP ... pbmus Jul 2014 #47

How stupid are we? Demeter Jul 2014 #54

How stupid are Americans? underthematrix Jul 2014 #55

TRUTH ClarkeVII Jul 2014 #62

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #56

Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #61

I have written books MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #65

I'm sure. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #71

Write the book but I think you need to plan for at least two volumes. zeemike Jul 2014 #67

I think it would fit quite nicely in the "comedy" section. joshcryer Jul 2014 #69

There's more than enough to fill a book. Please, go for it. pa28 Jul 2014 #73

We're slow enough to think writing a book for people who don't read HereSince1628 Jul 2014 #78

And you should work in.... CanSocDem Jul 2014 #85

Well, how do the voters stop it? n2doc Jul 2014 #79

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #82

"power-screwing us every day" woo me with science Jul 2014 #89

kick woo me with science Jul 2014 #90