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Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
50. "Pregnancy and Drug Use: The Facts"
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 02:23 PM
Jul 2014
http://www.advocatesforpregnantwomen.org/issues/pregnancy_and_drug_use_the_facts/

Pregnancy and Drug Use: The Facts

By combining drug war propaganda with claims of fetal rights, new and significant violations of civil liberties and human rights are occurring. In the last twenty years, hundreds of pregnant women and new mothers have been arrested, based on the argument that a pregnant woman’s drug use is a form of abuse or neglect. In 1997, the South Carolina Supreme Court held that a pregnant woman who used cocaine and who gave birth to a healthy baby could be convicted of child abuse. More recently, a pregnant woman who used cocaine and suffered a stillbirth that was caused by an infection-- has been convicted of homicide by child abuse in South Carolina. More than eighteen states now address the issue of pregnant women’s drug use in their civil child neglect laws, and a growing number of these states make it possible to remove a child based on nothing more than a single positive drug test. Like other applications of the war on drugs, the punishment of pregnant women targets vulnerable, low-income women of color—those with the least access to health care or legal defense.

These cases represent a significant expansion of the war on drugs. Pregnant women who are addicts can go to jail, despite Supreme Court rulings that treat addiction as a disease --and punishment for it as a violation of the Constitution's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. Similarly, despite the fact that people who are treated for drug related health problems are supposed to have extra protections under the federal drug treatment confidentiality statute, S.C., by reinterpreting drug use as child abuse, creates a devastating exception to the statute’s privacy protections.

NAPW seeks to ensure that addiction and other health and welfare problems women face during pregnancy are addressed as health issues, not as crimes; that families are not needlessly separated, based on medical misinformation; and that pregnant and parenting women have access to a full range of reproductive health services, as well as non-punitive drug treatment services.

NAPW believes that without a comprehensive strategy to undo decades of misinformation and political posturing about pregnancy and drug use, an ever-widening circle of women will be caught in increasingly punitive, intrusive, and coercive government controls that hurt rather than help women and their families. Similarly, drug policy reform efforts to de-stigmatize drug users and to shift policies from punishment to treatment will fail if the myth of crack babies and crack mothers destroying a generation of children is left unchallenged. And, while failure to address the intersection of these issues could lead to further erosion of both drug policy reform efforts and reproductive rights, the ability to take on these issues in a coherent manner provides a unique opportunity to enlist the support of new organizations and communities in the struggle for drug policy reform, and a more just society.

In this section you will find statements from leading scientists, medical researchers, medical, public health, and child welfare organizations addressing the issues of pregnancy and drug use. You will also find articles discussing why some women use drugs during pregnancy and how stigma and misinformation not only hurt pregnant women but also their children, families, and communities.

SAMHSA Brochure "Methadone Treatment for Pregnant Women"
January 07, 2014

Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) Brochure, Methadone Treatment for Pregnant Women: "If you're pregnant and using drugs such as heroin or abusing opioid prescription pain killers, it's important that you get help for yourself and your unborn baby. Methadone maintenance treatment can help you stop using those drugs. It is safe for the baby, keeps you free of withdrawal, and gives you a chance to take care of yourself."

Experts Urge Media to End Inaccurate Reporting on Prescription Opiate Use by Pregnant Women
March 13, 2013
Response to: "Drug Policies Must Be Rooted in Science"
December 21, 2012
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NAPW Documentation State v. Greywind
April 14, 2012
State v. Greywind, No. CR-92-447 (N.D. Cass County Ct. Apr. 10, 1992).
On February 7, 1992, Martina Greywind, a twenty-eight-year-old homeless Native American woman from Fargo who was approximately twelve weeks pregnant, was arrested. She was charged with reckless endangerment based on the claim that by inhaling the vapors of paint fumes, she was creating a substantial risk of serious bodily injury or death to her unborn child. The complaint alleged:
[The] defendant willfully created a substantial risk of serious bodily injury or death to another, to-wit: . . . MARTINA GREYWIND, while pregnant intentionally inhaled the vapors of a volatile chemical in violation of North Dakota Century Code 12.1-31-06 and thereby willfully created a substantial risk of serious bodily injury or death to her unborn child.

On February 10, 1992, Ms. Greywind, without a lawyer, initially pleaded guilty. She was sentenced to nine months at a state prison farm and ordered to participate in a chemical dependency program. After an attorney took her case, however, Ms. Greywind was allowed to withdraw her plea on February 12, 1992.

During this time, members of the Lambs of Christ were active in Fargo attempting to disrupt the Fargo Women's Health Clinic, the only abortion clinic in North Dakota. The Lambs of Christ is a loosely organized group of Roman Catholics who "focus on the rescue of unborn children." They had been in North Dakota since March and members of their group had been repeatedly jailed. News stories about the case reported that members of the group who had been arrested attempted to befriend Ms. Greywind while they were in jail together.

According to court records and the press, Lambs of Christ spokesperson Ronald Maxson posted $100 for a $1000 personal recognizance bond for Ms. Greywind. Nine hours after her release on bail, Ms. Greywind was re-arrested because police allegedly caught her sniffing paint again. She pleaded guilty to illegal inhalation of chemical vapors and was transferred to the state mental hospital. The State's Attorney said Ms. Greywind was to spend thirty days in the hospital or jail as her sentence. On February 20, 1992, a lawyer for the Lambs of Christ filed a petition seeking to have the woman's brother, Ken Greywind, appointed her legal guardian, apparently in an effort to prevent Ms. Greywind from having an abortion. According to an affidavit filed by Mr. Greywind, "I believe she is contemplating an abortion in order to have the charge of reckless endangerment dismissed and get out of jail so she can continue to abuse her body." The court denied Mr. Greywind’s petition.

On February 21, 1992 the State and Ms. Greywind entered a stipulation -- an agreement between the parties -- that Ms. Greywind “be released from the Cass County Jail for the following medical and/or psychological appointment: February 22, 1992, at 11:00 A.M.” According to press reports, this release enabled Ms. Greywind to obtain an abortion at the Fargo Women’s Health Clinic. Ms. Greywind obtained the abortion, despite widely-publicized efforts by abortion opponents to persuade her to carry the pregnancy to term including a financial offer conveyed by the Lambs of Christ of at least $10,000. Ms. Greywind expressed a desire to have the abortion, but also her inability to pay the cost of the procedure. North Dakota law prohibited state funding of abortion. According to the press, anonymous donors offered to pay for the $300-400 cost of her abortion. On February 24, 1992, Mr. Maxson of the Lambs of Christ requested that the $100 bail be returned to him. The request was granted.

On March 30, 1992, Ms. Greywind filed a motion to dismiss the charges arguing that “the State in this case [was] seeking to criminalize the pregnancy of a drug-addicted woman by applying a strained and unforeseen construction of the North Dakota reckless endangerment statute," as well as other grounds including the fact that the abortion rendered the case moot. Assistant Cass County Prosecutor Steve Dawson then filed a motion to dismiss with prejudice stating:

On February 10, 1992 [Martina Greywind] was charged with the offense of Reckless Endangerment, a class A misdemeanor. The defendant has recently undergone treatment at the North Dakota State Hospital and is presently in custody at the Cass County Jail on a subsequent and pending charge of Inhalation of Volatile Chemicals in violation of N.D.C.C. Section 12.1-31-06. Defendant has made it known to the State that she has terminated her pregnancy. Consequently, the controversial legal issues presented are no longer ripe for litigation. Further, the likelihood of this extreme factual situation recurring is limited. In the interest of preserving limited prosecutorial and judicial resources, Plaintiff hereby moves to dismiss the Complaint in this action with prejudice.
According to news reports, the prosecutor in the case stated that since Ms. Greywind had the abortion, it was “no longer worth the time or expense to prosecute her.” On April 10, 1992, the child endangerment charge was dismissed.

Prenatal Exposure to Illegal Drugs and Alcohol: Media Hype and Enduring Myths Are Not Supported By Science
March 24, 2010
Download a pdf of this fact sheet here

Based on the extraordinary misinformation that appeared frequently in the popular press, many people believe that a pregnant woman who uses any amount of an illegal drug or alcohol will inevitably harm or even kill her fetus. But media hype is not the same as science. As explained by Dr. Deborah Frank in this on-line video, Prenatal Drug Exposure: Award-Winning Pediatrician Discusses What The Science Tells Us, popular news reports have misrepresented the scientific facts about prenatal exposure to drugs.

Scientists Debunk Assumptions about Prenatal Crack Exposure
August 13, 2009

The New York Times reported this year on the latest research on children exposed prenatally to crack cocaine. Read The Epidemic That Wasn't to learn about their studies showing that crack exposure does not have the devastating effects on development once assumed.

Prenatal Drug Exposure: Award-Winning Pediatrician Discusses What The Science Tells Us
August 12, 2009

This is a video based on a lecture that Dr. Deborah A. Frank, Pediatrician gave on February 11th 2009 at a continuing education program entitled Drugs, Pregnancy and Parenting: What the Experts in Medicine, Social Work and Law Have to Say.

NAPW ANALYSIS OF TENNESSEE BILLS SB1065 AND HB0890
March 23, 2009

At the request of activists in Tennessee, NAPW analyzed two 2009 bills in Tennessee concerning pregnant women. Pursuant to Tennessee bills SB1065 and HB0890, pregnant women who meet certain criteria would be tested for alcohol and drugs in order to encourage them to seek immediate treatment for an alcohol-related or drug- related problem. Our analysis of the bills makes clear that this legislation lacked foundation in evidence based research and would undermine, rather than promote maternal, fetal, and child health. It is our understanding that the bill was withdrawn in March of 2009.
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Urine Toxicology Screening
March 18, 2009
DHHS Substance Abuse Mental Health Administration recommends the adoption of the standards used for urine drug testing in the workplace as proscribed by the federal workplace drug testing guidelines if routine alcohol and drug testing is performed on pregnant women. Those guidelines are available here: Mandatory Guidelines for Federal Workplace Drug Testing Programs.


A sample consent form is also available for download.

One Hit of Meth Enough to Cause 'News Defects'
August 17, 2005

By Barry Lester, Ph.D., Guest Commentary, JoinTogether.org, August 17, 2005
Recently (July 27, 2005), Medical News Today (MNT) carried a story with the alarming title, "Single prenatal dose of meth causes birth defects." Join Together, a prominent website, published a summary of the story with a similar headline and opening with the possibly more inflammatory, "Pregnant women who use methamphetamine even once put their unborn children at risk of birth defects" (July 29, 2005). These headlines misleadingly imply that the research involved women when it actually involved mice, and both the original story and the Join Together summary failed to mention that this animal research may have little if any bearing on the health outcome of humans prenatally exposed to methamphetamines.

Top Medical Doctors, Scientists & Specialists Urge Major Media Outlets Not to Create "Meth Baby" Myth
July 25, 2005

On July 25, 2005 more than 90 leading medical doctors, scientists, psychological researchers and treatment specialists released a public letter calling on the media to stop the use of such terms as "ice babies" and "meth babies." This prestigious group agrees that these terms lack scientific validity and should not be used.

Another "Drug Baby" Media Scare?
March 12, 2005

Recently (July 27, 2005), Medical News Today (MNT) carried a story with the alarming title, "Single prenatal dose of meth causes birth defects." Join Together, a prominent website, published a summary of the story with a similar headline and opening with the possibly more inflammatory, "Pregnant women who use methamphetamine even once put their unborn children at risk of birth defects" (July 29, 2005). These headlines misleadingly imply that the research involved women when it actually involved mice, and both the original story and the Join Together summary failed to mention that this animal research may have little if any bearing on the health outcome of humans prenatally exposed to methamphetamines...
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Do you have questions about your pregnancy and the drugs you are taking?
March 05, 2004

Motherisk is a "source for evidence-based information about the safety or risk of drugs, chemicals and disease during pregnancy and lactation." (NAPW does not, however, warrant or gaurantee the accuracy of information on this site or any other site to which NAPW links that relates to medical information, nor is this site nor any other site that NAPW links to intended to substitute for professional medical advice, to contradict medical advice given or to substitute for medical care of any kind. )
http://motherisk.org/

The Demon Seed that Wasn't: Debunking the "crack baby" myth
March 01, 2004

By: Maia Szalavitz, City Limits MONTHLY, March 2004
When four starving boys aged 19, 14, 10 and 9, were taken from their New Jersey adoptive parents last October, all were severely emaciated. The oldest was so stunted--he weighed 45 pounds and measured four feet tall--that police thought he was a grade-schooler. He had been found by neighbors, rooting through their trash for food at 2:30 a.m. He was so weak, he couldn't even open the Tastykake they hastily offered.

They Called Me Crack Baby, So why am I in college?
March 01, 2004
By: Antwaun Garcia, City Limits MONTHLY, March 2004

I don't know if I was born with drugs in my body or not. But my moms used drugs while she was pregnant with me. So it wasn't long before kids at school were calling me a "crack baby."

Top Medical Doctors and Scientists Urge Major Media Outlets to Stop Perpetuating “Crack Baby” Myth
February 25, 2004
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PRESS RELEASE
Signatories from Leading Hospitals and Research Institutes in US and Canada Agree That Term Lacks Scientific Basis and Is Dangerous to Children

Letter Sent to Washington Post, Arizona Republic, LA Weekly, Charleston Post and Courier, Amarillo Globe-News and Other Media Using These Terms
HIV, demanding truth about approaches that work
May 07, 2002

Because NAPW believes in evidence based medicine and policies based on science not stigma, we joined a letter addressed to Ambassador Randall Tobias, Office of the United States Global AIDS Coordinator, expressing concern about US officials who questioned the efficacy of needle exchange programs and sought to block support for needle exchange in United Nations resolutions and policy documents. As the letter explained:

Pregnant Drug Users: Scapegoats of the Reagan/Bush and Clinton Era Economics
January 13, 2001
By: Sheigla Murphy and Paloma Sales

INTRODUCTION
In this paper we present analyses of two National Institute on Drug Abuse-funded studies entitled, "An Ethnographic Study of Pregnancy and Drug Use" (Rosenbaum and Murphy 1991-94) and "An Ethnography of Victimization, Pregnancy and Drug Use," (Murphy 1995-98). Our goal is to explicate the ways in which pregnant drug users in the San Francisco Bay Area experienced, coped with and protected themselves from increasing stigmatization, abuse and punishment while enduring a period of fiscal retrenchment of government assistance programs.


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Well, shame on Tennessee. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #1
K&R redqueen Jul 2014 #2
In the article, Brigid Jul 2014 #3
huh? while this law is a travesty, I think librechik Jul 2014 #4
WRONG! BillZBubb Jul 2014 #6
no, it's a classic confusion strategy librechik Jul 2014 #10
You're the one confused here. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #111
I grow weary of your solecisms. librechik Jul 2014 #116
Solecisms! That's funny. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #122
while I think criminal charges are wrong, your "facts" are lacking "facts" magical thyme Jul 2014 #140
No my facts are correct. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #144
Your "facts" are that it "probably did no harm" magical thyme Jul 2014 #152
how about putting the same Niceguy1 Jul 2014 #164
for the 3rd time, I think criminal charges are wrong magical thyme Jul 2014 #167
Is blowing crystal meth in the face of a one week old bad? joeglow3 Jul 2014 #15
It's part of the anti-abortion agenda, which is part of the war on women. pnwmom Jul 2014 #18
You realize that did not answer my questions? joeglow3 Jul 2014 #21
This child isn't fighting for its life and the woman isn't even accused of taking narcotics. pnwmom Jul 2014 #23
So, where do you draw the line? joeglow3 Jul 2014 #32
On actions taken after birth, not things the mother does to herself, pnwmom Jul 2014 #35
I have *extremely* strong feelings about maternal abuse of drugs. moriah Jul 2014 #142
We agree that jail isn't the answer. pnwmom Jul 2014 #149
This scenario actually happened to me 16 yrs ago rbrnmw Jul 2014 #185
Wow. Your story deserves its own OP. That would be every mother's nightmare. pnwmom Jul 2014 #187
me too it was horrifying rbrnmw Jul 2014 #188
Having a baby is so fraught with emotion under the best of circumstances. pnwmom Jul 2014 #191
This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Jul 2014 #186
You do realize that a fetus is not a born child? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #46
I am sure the 13 year old in a 28 year old's body referenced above feels better knowing that joeglow3 Jul 2014 #169
What about children born with fetal alcohol syndrome? JDPriestly Jul 2014 #61
Right. FAS is about as bad as it gets, but we shouldn't be imprisoning women pnwmom Jul 2014 #101
When someone asked about not drinking during pregnancy: GoneOffShore Jul 2014 #171
I would not trust the French on this issue. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #189
My English sister-in-law was pregnant with her first child GoneOffShore Jul 2014 #193
Instead of Guiness, he should have prescribed vitamin B for your sister. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #194
Seriously? BillZBubb Jul 2014 #114
Those cannot be honest questions. morningfog Jul 2014 #143
I take it you have never worked in a NICU joeglow3 Jul 2014 #170
WRONG!!!! Warpy Jul 2014 #68
so let's blur the lines between abortion and harming the fetus. librechik Jul 2014 #73
Word salad Warpy Jul 2014 #77
excuse me, I am sure it IS part of the war on women librechik Jul 2014 #83
You are being deceptive. You said in your original post... BillZBubb Jul 2014 #117
you still here? librechik Jul 2014 #119
That's your retort? Was the quotation incorrect? BillZBubb Jul 2014 #124
old blind deaf and sub Bill? librechik Jul 2014 #130
Be honest, was the quotation incorrect? BillZBubb Jul 2014 #133
I guess they want pregnant drug addicts to get abortions. Shrike47 Jul 2014 #5
Or to give birth at home, away from doctors and hospitals. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #24
Meanwhile there are threads mocking India for a war on women....check the back yard first. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #7
This isn't even close to the situation for women in India, no matter pnwmom Jul 2014 #20
Wonder what they are going to do to polluters who poison wells with chemical runoff. That is the jwirr Jul 2014 #8
oh, dear, I'm so sorry. Duppers Jul 2014 #11
Could you have your water tested? JDPriestly Jul 2014 #66
We lived on a farm at the bottom of a hill so the runoff every rain brought the farm chemicals down jwirr Jul 2014 #154
Very, very true. The pregnant mother is not always the JDPriestly Jul 2014 #156
I totally agree with you on alcohol and drug use during pregnancy. I have two great grandchildren jwirr Jul 2014 #158
as a mother i was extremely aware that the health of my baby Duppers Jul 2014 #9
The problem with this dumbass law is that it will discourage women who have taken drugs pnwmom Jul 2014 #14
point made. Duppers Jul 2014 #16
RISKING LIVES! MOTHER AND BABY. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #79
Is it risking a baby's life to take a cold pill or asthma medicine pnwmom Jul 2014 #89
. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #94
We're clearly on the same page then. pnwmom Jul 2014 #95
Today cold medicine ... littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #96
Or poppy seeds! n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #98
Exactly. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #100
one of the things about it d_r Jul 2014 #136
Where is the research that shows that meth use late in pregnancy damages a fetus? pnwmom Jul 2014 #141
yeah d_r Jul 2014 #153
As a mother of three and a former RN .... etherealtruth Jul 2014 #22
I wish people would read your response here and pnwmom's above. redqueen Jul 2014 #26
Of course it has to be spelled out IronLionZion Jul 2014 #56
It shouldn't have to be. Not here. redqueen Jul 2014 #60
I appreciate your commitment, but your way off base here. bluesbassman Jul 2014 #104
You're way off base with your interpretation. redqueen Jul 2014 #105
Possibly because YOU are the only one accusing other members of being anti-choice. bluesbassman Jul 2014 #108
WTF? I didn't "attack" any members I mentioned a goddamned fact! redqueen Jul 2014 #110
Gee, I didn't realize I was getting hysterical. Guess I'll calm down and discuss this rationally. bluesbassman Jul 2014 #115
"hysterical" redqueen Jul 2014 #118
That's what is being implied when one tells one to "calm down". bluesbassman Jul 2014 #126
Bullshit. Saying "calm down" in NO way implies that anyone is "hysterical". redqueen Jul 2014 #128
I reframed nothing and even qualified my original comment. bluesbassman Jul 2014 #132
Whatever. redqueen Jul 2014 #135
Well I'm glad we've cleared that up, and thank you, I will! bluesbassman Jul 2014 #139
I've seen at least one longtime DUer say they support overturning Roe v. Wade (though the post was nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #181
Thank you get the red out Jul 2014 #58
Please forgive me if this is a stupid question... ohheckyeah Jul 2014 #64
No one knows, least of all the police and prosecutor. For example, pnwmom Jul 2014 #92
Wow - whatever happened to ohheckyeah Jul 2014 #97
Whatever happened to Miranda? Maybe the doctors should be administering it pnwmom Jul 2014 #99
SMH at what this country has become. n/t ohheckyeah Jul 2014 #103
I agree! Duppers Jul 2014 #70
Its hard ... I think all of us etherealtruth Jul 2014 #72
Yes. To your whole post! pnwmom Jul 2014 #91
"don't bash me until you've seen this for yourself" kcr Jul 2014 #41
good grief !!1!!1 Duppers Jul 2014 #63
Your fervor is feuled by misinformation kcr Jul 2014 #67
..... 840high Jul 2014 #80
While it's tough to watch a newborn go through withdrawal Warpy Jul 2014 #84
Thanks, Warpy. Duppers Jul 2014 #90
Something like only 5% of severe alcoholics have kids with FAS Warpy Jul 2014 #106
Rather pointless law... Lancero Jul 2014 #12
It mandates a new class to be abused by drug testing firms. bluedigger Jul 2014 #17
This is a creepy, creeping extension of anti-abortion lawmaking. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #13
The law sucks, but she smoked meth when she was pregnant FFS... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #19
See posts 14 and 22. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #27
"there’s no evidence the young woman...caused harm to her newborn child." Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #29
So you're okay with crack addicted babies, yes? truebrit71 Jul 2014 #62
Of course we don't know how many times she did it, but ... if it WAS one time? brett_jv Jul 2014 #88
I can only report what the newspaper article said. No harm found to the child. As for crack babies.. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #113
So smoking meth whilst pregnant is fine. truebrit71 Jul 2014 #150
No, it's a bad idea. But the long-term effects have been greatly exaggerated. That was the point. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #183
Will you please show us the research? pnwmom Jul 2014 #160
Just a simple Google search should help. truebrit71 Jul 2014 #172
I did. And it isn't out there. That's why I asked you to show me. n't pnwmom Jul 2014 #173
Hmm, I must use a different Google than you... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #174
I didn't say that. I said there isn't good research out there that shows pnwmom Jul 2014 #176
So until there's "good research" we should abandon common sense? truebrit71 Jul 2014 #178
The research I've seen says that cigarettes and alcohol pnwmom Jul 2014 #179
Yup. Hard drugs are just peachy when you're pregnant. truebrit71 Jul 2014 #180
I didn't even use Tylenol, because I don't think pregnant women should pnwmom Jul 2014 #182
The law does not apply to her actions. riqster Jul 2014 #49
Actually, there is very little research out there that shows pnwmom Jul 2014 #159
I am sure there are those that would etherealtruth Jul 2014 #166
She smoked meth before giving birth. House Jul 2014 #25
See posts 14 and 22. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #28
"there’s no evidence the young woman...caused harm to her newborn child." Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #30
She admitted to doing it. House Jul 2014 #34
It is not a crime to smoke or drink while pregnant. Maybe not smart, but not a crime. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #36
I don't believe I said it was a crime. House Jul 2014 #37
You used the words not allowed kcr Jul 2014 #43
No, you should "clarify" that the words "not allowed" are not applicable in the least. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #55
Try coffee, scrambled eggs, and bacon HockeyMom Jul 2014 #54
Did the doctor read her her Miranda rights before taking her medical history? pnwmom Jul 2014 #38
+1 leftstreet Jul 2014 #45
What happened to doctor-patient privilege? Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2014 #78
"women aren't allowed to smoke or drink alcohol while pregnant"----WRONG!! Where do YOU live?! WinkyDink Jul 2014 #51
"women aren't allowed to smoke or drink alcohol while pregnant". What? uppityperson Jul 2014 #75
Women ARE allowed to smoke and drink while they're pregnant. pnwmom Jul 2014 #175
meth dosen't hurt children,...... pregnant or not NM_Birder Jul 2014 #39
You want to send this woman to prison for 15 years for something that didn't even hurt her fetus? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #42
"Pregnancy and Drug Use: The Facts" Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #50
First-degree-murder laws tend to be ignored until someone is murdered. Your point? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #53
Dink, I agree. Meth doesn't cause problems, NM_Birder Jul 2014 #196
You can get a false positive on a meth test from taking a cold pill or asthma medicine. pnwmom Jul 2014 #69
Really .... etherealtruth Jul 2014 #44
I'm not sure where your response comes from. House Jul 2014 #48
It is regarding the woman in the article and all women etherealtruth Jul 2014 #52
Then you need to consider the larger picture. cyberswede Jul 2014 #71
It seems people are getting too emotional and irrational about this. House Jul 2014 #121
Which one am I - emotional or irrational? cyberswede Jul 2014 #125
Maybe hysterical, you uppity womyn you uppityperson Jul 2014 #138
LOL cyberswede Jul 2014 #146
A Fine Addition to Du indeed uppityperson Jul 2014 #147
Err, welcome to DU. Have you considered this as your avatar? alp227 Jul 2014 #195
What happened to lawlessness and less government intrusions? liberal N proud Jul 2014 #31
This is wrong on so many levels -- I want to kick someone. pnwmom Jul 2014 #33
Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #81
What bullshit ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #40
Oh, it'll be a deterrent for addicts, all right. Mariana Jul 2014 #157
+1 ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #184
Obviously, the logical end-game is to outlaw abortion. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #47
And ultimately, to turn women back into chattel. riqster Jul 2014 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jul 2014 #93
sorry about the dumbmity of my post Duppers Jul 2014 #120
No problem! I'm good friends with that stick, myself! WinkyDink Jul 2014 #155
"ACLU-TN Seeks to Challenge New Law Criminalizing Addicted Mothers" Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #59
Not to be rude, but..... daleanime Jul 2014 #65
Why is there never any talk ohheckyeah Jul 2014 #74
Instead of arguing with each other... Wait Wut Jul 2014 #76
Good post. Agree. 840high Jul 2014 #82
well said. n/t one_voice Jul 2014 #148
The problem is that the law itself won't help. It will just make things worse. pnwmom Jul 2014 #162
Pregnancy. The gateway drug. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #85
SMH Mr Dixon Jul 2014 #86
Breast milk? eom littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #87
Why does this blog omit the fact that the baby girl tested POSITIVE FOR METH? LittleBlue Jul 2014 #102
The kiddo will have a rough 48-72 hours Warpy Jul 2014 #107
They are very compassionate people LittleBlue Jul 2014 #109
Cold pills and asthma medicine can cause false positives for meth because pnwmom Jul 2014 #163
This is a good case to prove the stupidity of the law. nt Ilsa Jul 2014 #112
One can think arresting her this way is bad public policy and still not think a 9 mo. pregnant woman Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #123
Exactly. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #127
But goddess fucking forbid anyone lament that that fact should have to be explained here redqueen Jul 2014 #129
Surprising ain't it! BillZBubb Jul 2014 #134
Sadly, it is not. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #137
That is what enraging in these discussions etherealtruth Jul 2014 #151
It isn't a great thing and I wouldn't do it. I didn't even use Tylenol. pnwmom Jul 2014 #165
Except studies have demonstrated that meth use during pregnancy harms the fetus. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #177
In the fine tradition of the "war on drugs".. sendero Jul 2014 #131
Neonatal Abstinence Syndrome ain't shit compared to intellectual delays, which alcohol causes. moriah Jul 2014 #145
Southern states are turning into baby mills--selling kids. This is a way to takes babies from mother McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #161
Won't this INCREASE abortions and back alley deliveries? apples and oranges Jul 2014 #168
Kick! Heidi Jul 2014 #190
Completely serious here... Quantess Jul 2014 #192
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