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73. Looks like the upcoming season ...

Fri Jul 11, 2014, 04:57 PM

Jul 2014

... is already off to a ho-hum start.

The pilot episode for Season 2, "Greenwald is naming NAMES!", was met with little interest, even from die-hard fans.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025215632

A follow-up trailer promising even more astounding revelations in upcoming episodes, "Greenwald: MORE to come!!!", also received a lackluster response from the show's usual followers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025217457

I understand Snowden is still in the running for an Emmy, however, for his riveting portrayal of a man smart enough to steal thousands of classified documents, while forgetting to retain his own CYA emails. Whether Snowden's performance will be included in the drama or sit-com category has yet to be determined.

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NSA says Snowden e-mails exempt from public disclosure and secret [View all] Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 OP

Cue the apologists! morningfog Jul 2014 #1

Crickets so far... /nt TampaAnimusVortex Jul 2014 #23

they're all cracking wise in the 'Snowden�s life is still in danger' thread frylock Jul 2014 #25

They've been totally pwned in this thread it is sad really. Rex Jul 2014 #343

Liars. Who still can defend the NSA? nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #2

Someone will... joeybee12 Jul 2014 #3

In the end, they came to love Big Brother. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2014 #4

I believe you answered your own question, just in the wrong order. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #7

What did they lie about MohRokTah Jul 2014 #29

according to binney ,just about everything questionseverything Jul 2014 #167

they lie reflexively.... mike_c Jul 2014 #5

DAMN!! grasswire Jul 2014 #6

My opinion precisely. What a bunch of lying idiots! JDPriestly Jul 2014 #31

Every time they open their mouths Aerows Jul 2014 #39

SNOWDEN CHALLENGES NSA: Release All Of My Emails May 2014 Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #8

yes grasswire Jul 2014 #19

They did NOT lie! MohRokTah Jul 2014 #32

NSA? They're caught in lies all the time. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #83

I've read it all MohRokTah Jul 2014 #85

The NSA has been caught in several lies DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #90

No, the request was for "any and all" emails. morningfog Jul 2014 #94

They lied. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #206

You forgot this part: sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #318

So, Snowden wasn't lying ... GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #9

NSA lied also about destroyed hard drives in london AP FOIA Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #13

No, Snowden WAS lying MohRokTah Jul 2014 #33

A pretty definative statement blackspade Jul 2014 #64

Link? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #67

Yeah, they kinda did...they said "we have them, but we're not showing them to you"... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #289

No, they did NOT say that. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #290

I did read the damned article.... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #295

Then you apprently have a reading comprehension issue. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #297

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand another one for the ignore list... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #328

. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #334

Why anyone would trust the NSA is beyond me. Especially after Clapper's perjury. morningfog Jul 2014 #76

Lol, well considering the NSA denied that for a year, then 'suddenly' found ONE, I think we all sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #307

They found one where he was asking a question related to recent training MohRokTah Jul 2014 #308

Yes, as I said, they 'suddenly found ONE' after denying ANY for a full year. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #311

Again, you have missed the point MohRokTah Jul 2014 #312

Well, let me see. Who should I trust more, Bush loyalists and appointees at the NSA or sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #314

Not a whistle blower. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #315

Why is Bush loyalist and appointee, liar to Congress, Clapper, still head of the NSA? sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #316

And now you resort to the fallacy of Argumentum ad Populum. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #317

I am stating facts. I did ask you several times why Clapper is still head of the NSA. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #321

You resorted to a logical fallacy. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #322

It's a logical fallacy to state that Bush Appointee, Clapper, who lied to Congress is still sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #323

I have stated, you resorted to a logical fallacy. The discussion is over. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #324

No, this discussion will continue, with or without you because it is vitally important sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #325

Amazing how easy it is to pwn a pretzel warrior. Rex Jul 2014 #344

I did ask a relevant question several times but received no response to it. Just mild personal sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #351

No worries, Snowden KEPT all his emails covering his ass legally on disclosing law breaking uponit7771 Jul 2014 #10

And everybody seems to be missing the most important part of this denied request MohRokTah Jul 2014 #36

He or better said, Greenwald may have them. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #40

I'm sure they'll be released in 24 business hours. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #44

lol... I bet he dont. DCBob Jul 2014 #81

Oh yes he will Aerows Jul 2014 #137

Yes, yes, of course he will. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #197

Here, let me help LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #11

something about primaries, for good measure frylock Jul 2014 #24

Don't forget Aerows Jul 2014 #45

but it's all nice and legal, and that's all that really matters in the eyes of the authoritarian.. frylock Jul 2014 #51

True Aerows Jul 2014 #52

And the FISA court judges are appointed by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts. neverforget Jul 2014 #147

But they can do no wrong... Aerows Jul 2014 #148

You forgot christx30 Jul 2014 #49

Good list, but you forgot one all-purpose rebuttal: RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #66

Yeah, we all knew about this before Aerows Jul 2014 #225

You missed a few. JoeyT Jul 2014 #174

so that "just one email, and it wasn't about secrecy issues" story was BS? librechik Jul 2014 #12

Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #14

Excellent! JDPriestly Jul 2014 #41

Dude had boxes in his garage PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #15

You must be a Snowden fan! NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #60

The point is PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #89

No, actually the point is ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #100

I hit a soft spot, eh? n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #101

How so? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #109

You responded to my post PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #112

Actually ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #118

My explanation is a couple posts above PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #119

Sorry, bur your point ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #127

As I said PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #128

+1! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #207

Here's one of many DU threads on the boxes issue riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #130

Yes, that's the original article. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #131

The Snowden detractors actually posted the article. Then went with it big time riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #134

Here we go again! NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #140

Did you read the comments ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #135

Cali Democrat who posted the article itself is an ardent anti-Snowden poster! riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #136

So non Snowden supporters ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #146

Bad premise. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #169

You're right. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #196

Bad premise DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #201

First of all ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #203

I gave you examples of threads where anti- Snowden posters brought those topics into the discussion riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #217

The examples you gave ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #223

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #236

The only people who mention boxes are Snowden's supporters Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #242

Google "Snowden girlfriend Democraticunderground June 2013". There are MANY threads riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #120

you're just dealing with obfuscation here grasswire Jul 2014 #171

Ah, yes. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #198

I never understood why his defenders crafted the strawman that there was something wrong with what MADem Jul 2014 #175

It was never of interest to me ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #194

I agree. I've never seen anyone who questioned Snowden's motives spend any time MADem Jul 2014 #202

Not really true LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #219

Yup. They own it now. Even more so as they persist with lame Snowden/ Greenwald smears. riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #220

Then provide the links ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #221

The link was already provided to you LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #241

Seriously? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #243

You've now been shown multiple threads LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #246

Go back and read this entire sub-thread. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #261

Look Nance, I know you to be a very smart person LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #264

So essentially what's going on here... Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #265

I repeat ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #267

Seriously, I thought you were better LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #331

I asked for the links ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #332

You're the one being dishonest Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #336

From the person who made the OP-- TWICE! LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #339

So... Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #340

+10000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #280

Revising internet history is hard work bobduca Jul 2014 #374

This discussion was never about a smear campaign ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #379

Correct, your half of discussion was about pretending there isn't a smear campaign bobduca Jul 2014 #380

Exactly where did I ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #381

This really is a fail on your part Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #244

LMAO! LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #248

LOL!!! Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #250

I know, right? LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #253

It wasn't "character assasination" like you claimed Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #255

It wasn't "character assasination" LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #256

LOL! Still no link to DUers attacking him for having boxes? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #258

YOUR links--TWICE! LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #259

I attacked Snowden for boxes? Or was it his neighbors? Or was it another DUer? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #260

you're dealing with orchestrated disruption here. grasswire Jul 2014 #268

Orchestrated disruption? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #270

not taking your bait. grasswire Jul 2014 #272

Poorly orchestrated, ultimately futile and 100% transparent bobduca Jul 2014 #372

Indeed LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #333

Where are the links, my dear? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #338

Exactly who ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #369

go fish nt grasswire Jul 2014 #370

Snowden and Greenwald are likely behind it, cuz they are eeeeeevil and stuff! bobduca Jul 2014 #373

The first appearance of "boxes in the garage" is here: Dr. Strange Jul 2014 #245

So where are the DUers disparaging Snowden for having boxes in his garage? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #249

Then why bring it up? Dr. Strange Jul 2014 #254

I can't speak for his nieghbors Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #257

It is funny stuff. Dr. Strange Jul 2014 #276

Ya but as you can see above... Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #278

Hmmm ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #262

I think they were "missed" because they didn't happen. nt MADem Jul 2014 #224

Not unlike Eddie's emails ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #226

It's been two months since he claimed there were other emails. You'd think he would MADem Jul 2014 #230

The NSA, after denying for a year that there were emails, suddenly found 'one'. Now they sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #300

You've never worked for government, I take it. Verbal orders don't go. MADem Jul 2014 #330

Let's hope they don't get "water damage" somewhere in storage..... KoKo Jul 2014 #16

The CIA 's rendition files that were destroyed in the UK Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #18

Yes. We have a secret government that is not JDPriestly Jul 2014 #43

The other thing that concerned me was the DOJ Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #55

It may be too late. The momentum may have us in its grip. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #59

yes when sitting US senators questionseverything Jul 2014 #63

and there are so-called Democrats here... grasswire Jul 2014 #180

Or a fire doesn't start in their office Aerows Jul 2014 #46

That little Cheney fireplace event didn't get the attention it deserved, Enthusiast Jul 2014 #208

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #17

There goes the ''Where are the Snowden emails?'' line of disparagement. Octafish Jul 2014 #20

Bull MohRokTah Jul 2014 #28

You are wrong. I wrote: 'Booz Allen Hamilton is owned by Carlyle Group, a subsidiary of the BFEE.' Octafish Jul 2014 #54

Well, four letters just caused me to reject anything you every write. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #58

No 'CT' smear at all. The Bush Family Evil Empire represents the Fascist Heart of Power Octafish Jul 2014 #75

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! MohRokTah Jul 2014 #78

Those are the facts: Nothing funny about treason and war profiteering. Octafish Jul 2014 #84

I don't click on links to CT material. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #86

No theory at all. All links are sourced, starting from DU. Octafish Jul 2014 #88

All CT makes the claim the CT is factual. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #91

Shows what you know. Octafish Jul 2014 #97

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #99

''Money trumps peace.'' -- George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Jul 2014 #102

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #103

So why bother to reply? Octafish Jul 2014 #105

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #106

So, what you don't know can't hurt you? Octafish Jul 2014 #110

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #111

Willful ignorance is making a comeback, then. Octafish Jul 2014 #115

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #117

Jesus then put him on ignore instead of spamming the DISCUSSION board with this shit riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #122

Or... MohRokTah Jul 2014 #124

I posted and showed where you're wrong without you once refuting what I wrote. Octafish Jul 2014 #145

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #153

... questionseverything Jul 2014 #166

at least you gave Octafish plenty of room in this exchange... grasswire Jul 2014 #181

um.. you just did G_j Jul 2014 #233

Um, I saw Octafish responded to a post of mine. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #237

Good God! Stop being so fucking childish! nt elias49 Jul 2014 #247

GOOD GOD, stop responding to me and I'll stop responding back! eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #252

+1! It's not a theory, it's a conspiracy. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #209

Wow, look how childish they act!!!! Rex Jul 2014 #342

Total gripper... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #170

maybe you dont.... wildbilln864 Jul 2014 #291

When a person spews wild CT MohRokTah Jul 2014 #292

Wake up and smell the sulfur. Octafish Jul 2014 #355

This seems so familiar. What was your old DU screen name? I know I know you. morningfog Jul 2014 #80

You're brand new here, so there are things you may not be aware of. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #95

Your claims about me are false MohRokTah Jul 2014 #96

you arent brand new? reddread Jul 2014 #155

You claim I had "full-throated support of the Bush Administration" MohRokTah Jul 2014 #157

no, I would claim you lack acuity reddread Jul 2014 #161

You're entitled to your opinion. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #162

a few things to consider reddread Jul 2014 #163

I have no interest in wild conspiracy theories about the Bush family. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #164

It was George H W Bush. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #210

The most amazing thing about that clip? Enthusiast Jul 2014 #211

you are funny! n/t librechik Jul 2014 #108

Ever hear of the CCF? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #113

CW--conventional wisdom librechik Jul 2014 #121

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence MohRokTah Jul 2014 #123

not to everybody. And I don't accept your authority over the narrative. librechik Jul 2014 #132

Argumentum ad populum, another fallacy presented in CT. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #133

presumptive authority is so much more convincing in Latin librechik Jul 2014 #138

There is no presumption. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #139

you would not know if you were presumptive. librechik Jul 2014 #141

Regardless of any condescending thing you choose to say,... MohRokTah Jul 2014 #142

nobody has ever claimed that George W. Bush was involved... grasswire Jul 2014 #182

. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #186

Do you truly not know the difference... grasswire Jul 2014 #188

Forgive me for the typographical error of leaving an "H." out of my post. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #189

sez you. grasswire Jul 2014 #190

Oh brother MohRokTah Jul 2014 #212

I guess you also don't believe pappy Bush(Prescott)... wildbilln864 Jul 2014 #293

No more than Ford and dozens of other corporate owners who invested in Germany. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #294

ah, so it's ok then. wildbilln864 Jul 2014 #319

Where did I say that? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #320

Tragic. I bet you fully supported Octafish right up until that very instant. RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #114

I would at least read what he wrote. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #116

the one letter NSA did release was the most strategic Snowden wrote. grasswire Jul 2014 #21

It was a fill in the blank email that specifically referenced training Snowden received. MADem Jul 2014 #177

bullshit grasswire Jul 2014 #187

Screaming "bullshit" at me petulantly doesn't change the facts. MADem Jul 2014 #191

screaming online is CAPS. grasswire Jul 2014 #193

"Bullshit" isn't a rebuttal. It's an expression of your personal vexation, nothing more. MADem Jul 2014 #204

Even Snowden himself ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #199

Oh, dear, stop making sense! MADem Jul 2014 #229

Well, as I've said ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #232

most importantly, it would expose the NSA lying their asses off about Snowden's emails.. frylock Jul 2014 #22

Yes they lied and the proof has been in their words Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #37

So you think the NSA claimed Snowden didn't write ANY emails at all at any time????? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #42

here, this will help.. frylock Jul 2014 #47

This might help you. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #50

we have not found any evidence to support Mr. Snowden�s contention that he brought these matters.. frylock Jul 2014 #53

No concrete evidence they lied. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #57

and you have concrete evidence of Snowden lying? frylock Jul 2014 #65

IF he isn't, he should be able to present the emails. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #68

okay then. see you next time around. frylock Jul 2014 #69

I don't think ergo means what you think it means. morningfog Jul 2014 #79

You're slipping. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #234

SEE? reddread Jul 2014 #56

DURec leftstreet Jul 2014 #26

They went on a fishing expedition MohRokTah Jul 2014 #27

The S&G Show -now in its second fantabulous season! randome Jul 2014 #30

You are right about being wrong on this one. Aerows Jul 2014 #48

You misread the article, I think. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #77

Looks like the upcoming season ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #73

This show's trailers are a problem, they never come through treestar Jul 2014 #143

Ain't it always the way? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #149

It's like a rerun of the "Whitey tape" BS I saw all over the internet in 2008. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #156

... questionseverything Jul 2014 #168

LOL Hissyspit Jul 2014 #34

The NSA groupies are still buying (or selling) the NSA line. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #35

I never trust anyone that gives me that hard of a sell Aerows Jul 2014 #150

And they are GRUMPY today! Union Scribe Jul 2014 #298

it's harrd werk! grasswire Jul 2014 #309

Snowden should just release the emails he claims exists and it will all be cleared up. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #38

It seems pretty simple to me. MADem Jul 2014 #72

Or if he no longer has access. morningfog Jul 2014 #82

Here is what they are saying ... aggiesal Jul 2014 #61

exactly....thanks for pointing that out.. n/t KoKo Jul 2014 #71

good one nt grasswire Jul 2014 #185

If they're not doing anything WRONG, then they've got nothing to HIDE !!! blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #62

He needs to sign a release, and get it all out there. MADem Jul 2014 #70

Great summation of the FACTS ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #92

There would also be emails dealing with sensitive and classified matters. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #93

Then there are those who believe that every email morningfog Jul 2014 #98

The request asked ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #107

it doesn't really matter to some JI7 Jul 2014 #126

Yep, Snowden wants to stay in Russia so Putin's obliging.. no brainer for Putin. Cha Jul 2014 #165

Land of the "free!" MADem Jul 2014 #192

Putin and Snowden have a mutual admiration society.. Pooite loves what Snowden does.. Cha Jul 2014 #239

He needs a distraction from his expensive Crimean Prize! MADem Jul 2014 #281

That is not accurate. They redact those that are morningfog Jul 2014 #178

Specific documents requested ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #195

The NSA claims that right, it doesn't mean they have it. morningfog Jul 2014 #216

Blanket requests are not routine. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #227

To the contrary, NSA is required to sift through morningfog Jul 2014 #235

No, they are not required to do so. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #240

They said no to ANY emails. That is the issue. morningfog Jul 2014 #263

No. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #266

The request was for "any and all" emails. morningfog Jul 2014 #269

I stand corrected. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #274

We know he didn't raise anything specific because he's not in jail. joshcryer Jul 2014 #129

Well, he kept insisting to Brian Williams that he was some kind of spy. MADem Jul 2014 #173

I think he has them and WILL release them Aerows Jul 2014 #144

He should just do it if he has them--this "Nanny, nanny boo boo" game is childish. MADem Jul 2014 #172

He is "messaging" just fine. How long now had he kept morningfog Jul 2014 #218

Yeah, he's "messaging" so well that his supporters are getting all strident and angry. MADem Jul 2014 #222

We're still having the conversation, MADem Aerows Jul 2014 #306

What you are terming a "lie" is not that at all. MADem Jul 2014 #329

I spoke the truth Aerows Jul 2014 #341

That's not even slightly accurate. MADem Jul 2014 #346

I'm not even going to grace your snipes Aerows Jul 2014 #347

I'm just calling it as I see it, I am not "sniping." YMMV, we might as well just leave it there. nt MADem Jul 2014 #364

he's playing them and I love it. grasswire Jul 2014 #183

He's absolutely playing them Aerows Jul 2014 #305

ayep grasswire Jul 2014 #310

They'll just say he faked them. Union Scribe Jul 2014 #299

I sure if Eddie comes home, he'll be reminded of what he wrote... Historic NY Jul 2014 #74

Where Be The NSA Defenders - Very Telling cantbeserious Jul 2014 #87

They went home early, I presume Aerows Jul 2014 #151

Most Likely - All Too True cantbeserious Jul 2014 #152

and all to no avail... grasswire Jul 2014 #271

Snowden is heroic. Octafish Jul 2014 #104

"would reveal law enforcement techniques and procedures.� hughee99 Jul 2014 #125

Fascinating discussion at /. Babel_17 Jul 2014 #154

You won't openly get it Aerows Jul 2014 #158

We're going to be hearing more about government data that's backed up, in the coming days, imo (nt) Babel_17 Jul 2014 #214

Oh yes, we will :) Aerows Jul 2014 #231

certainly a lot more reality based reddread Jul 2014 #159

Storage and facial recognition are always problems Aerows Jul 2014 #176

Data compression does keep improving Babel_17 Jul 2014 #215

thank you grasswire Jul 2014 #184

/. is an online community of technocrats, geeks, etc. Babel_17 Jul 2014 #213

The ultimate goal of the NSA is total population control whereisjustice Jul 2014 #160

Mr. Binney only left two things out of his analysis ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #200

a two year old.. sendero Jul 2014 #277

NSA groupies are like that... BillZBubb Jul 2014 #362

yep grasswire Jul 2014 #371

Glenn Greenwald is the most dangerous human alive MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #179

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #205

Lies upon lies. woo me with science Jul 2014 #228

Recommended. I like the way this is playing out. Autumn Jul 2014 #238

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #251

So they lied, AGAIN? And Snowden was telling the truth, AGAIN. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #273

Exactly what are they lying about? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #275

For starters... Octafish Jul 2014 #279

You will note that I specifically asked ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #282

That's why I posted what I posted: The Big Picture is NSA LIES to its supposed bosses... Octafish Jul 2014 #283

What an utterly ridiculous response. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #284

What's ridiculous is trusting NSA and the rest of the secret goverment. Octafish Jul 2014 #287

I feel like I'm dealing with a Jehovah's Witness ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #349

While I save my condescension for conservatives, I do hold in contempt all who support the Lie. Octafish Jul 2014 #350

Jesus Hussein Christ. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #354

That's not what I wrote, which also is telling about you. Octafish Jul 2014 #356

You seem to have mistaken me ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #357

The one-up, one-down attitude helps explain the need for condescension. Octafish Jul 2014 #359

orchestrated disruption, Octafish grasswire Jul 2014 #285

Another weighs-in ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #286

Umm...I think you have that exactly backwarrds... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #296

Snowden must produce his emails or until then he's just a big liar. Octafish Jul 2014 #288

"The Big Con"... CanSocDem Jul 2014 #313

omg i had missed this questionseverything Jul 2014 #304

That water getting heavy yet? nt Union Scribe Jul 2014 #301

When someone is caught lying, as the NSA were, for over a year when they denied he had sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #302

Oh, for fuck's sake. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #348

Wrong, when the NSA finally 'found' that one email sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #352

You should check your own sources ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #353

What is ludicrous is that the NSA has consistently lied to the American people all the way back to sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #358

Please provide the links ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #360

The NSA stated a year or more ago, that there was 'no paper trail' between them and Snowden sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #361

Snowden initially said ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #363

Raising concerns with superiors (which is what Chelsea Manning did also) and going sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #366

Where to begin? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #368

Yes, where to begin indeed. The NSA LIED about ANY emails from Snowden for a FULL YEAR. THEN sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #375

I'm not defending anyone here. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #376

Mother Jones: sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #377

There is nothing in those links ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #378

Look, you can try to defend them all you want, but the fact is they DENIED any emails to various sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #382

Here we go - yet again. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #383

Not 'we', you are ignoring all the links provided for you where the NSA, according to sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #384

sabrina, you are totally out to lunch on this ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #385

Someone once told me that you should always pay attention to how many sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #386

Again you ignore the facts ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #387

Because legal defense is so easy when evidence is a national secret. L0oniX Jul 2014 #303

There is nothing legal Aerows Jul 2014 #327

At this point, believing anything the NSA says is naive, not to mention ludicrous. djean111 Jul 2014 #326

and why defend them here? grasswire Jul 2014 #335

Evidently criticizing anything while Obama is president is bad chi or something. djean111 Jul 2014 #337

But but but...boxes and stripper polls! It is sad how desperate the apologists for the NSA are Rex Jul 2014 #345

Poles. Stripper Poles. Really need to be aware of spelling, which can change meaning on DU. Octafish Jul 2014 #365

It can mean anything ya want it to mean - just whatever we do Rex Jul 2014 #367