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In reply to the discussion: NSA says Snowden e-mails exempt from public disclosure and secret [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)75. No 'CT' smear at all. The Bush Family Evil Empire represents the Fascist Heart of Power
How they connect to Carlyle, which is majority owner of Booz Allen Hamilton, multibillion dollar NSA prime contractor, the place for inside traders from banksters and narcotraffickers to warmongers and traitors:
The Knights of the Revolving Door
When War is Swell: the Carlyle Group and the Middle East at War
by JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
CounterPunch, Weekend Edition September 6-8, 2013
Paris.
A couple of weeks ago, in a dress rehearsal for her next presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton, the doyenne of humanitarian interventionism, made a pit-stop at the Carlyle Group to brief former luminaries of the imperial war rooms about her shoot-first-dont-ask-questions foreign policy.
For those of you who have put the playbill of the Bush administration into a time capsule and buried it beneath the compost bin, the Carlyle Group is essentially a hedge fund for war-making and high tech espionage. They are the people who brought you the Iraq war and all those intrusive niceties of Homeland Security. Call them the Knights of the Revolving Door, many of Carlyles executives and investors having spent decades in the Pentagon, the CIA or the State Department, before cashing in for more lucrative careers as war profiteers. They are now licking their chops at the prospect for an all-out war against Syria, no doubt hoping that the conflagration will soon spread to Lebanon, Jordan and, the big prize, Iran.
For a refresher course on the sprawling tentacles of the Carlyle Group, heres an essay that first appeared in CounterPunchs print edition in 2004. Sadly, not much has changed in the intervening years, except these feted souls have gotten much, much richer. JSC
Across all fronts, Bushs war deteriorates with stunning rapidity. The death count of American soldiers killed in Iraq will soon top 1000, with no end in sight. The members of the handpicked Iraqi Governor Council are being knocked off one after another. Once loyal Shia clerics, like Ayatollah Sistani, are now telling the administration to pull out or face a nationalist insurgency. The trail of culpability for the abuse, torture and murder of Iraqi detainees seems to lead inexorably into the office of Donald Rumsfeld. The war for Iraqi oil has ended up driving the price of crude oil through the roof. Even Kurdish leaders, brutalized by the Baathists for decades, are now saying Iraq was a safer place under their nemesis Saddam Hussein. Like Medea whacking her own kids, the US turned on its own creation, Ahmed Chalabi, raiding his Baghdad compound and fingering him as an agent of the ayatollahs of Iran. And on and on it goes.
Still not all of the presidents men are in a despairing mood. Amid the wreckage, there remain opportunities for profit and plunder. Halliburton and Bechtels triumphs in Iraq have been chewed over for months. Less well chronicled is the profiteering of the Carlyle Group, a company with ties that extend directly into the Oval Office itself.
Even Pappy Bush stands in line to profit handsomely from his sons war making. The former president is on retainer with the Carlyle Group, the largest privately held defense contractor in the nation. Carlyle is run by Frank Carlucci, who served as the National Security advisor and Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan. Carlucci has his own embeds in the current Bush administration. At Princeton, his college roommate was Donald Rumsfeld. Theyve remained close friends and business associates ever since. When you have friends like this, you dont need to hire lobbyists..
Bush Sr. serves as a kind of global emissary for Carlyle. The ex-president doesnt negotiate arms deals; he simply opens the door for them, a kind of high level meet-and-greet. His special area of influence is the Middle East, primarily Saudi Arabia, where the Bush family has extensive business and political ties. According to an account in the Washington Post, Bush Sr. earns around $500,000 for each speech he makes on Carlyles behalf.
One of the Saudi investors lured to Carlyle by Bush was the BinLaden Group, the construction conglomerate owned by the family of Osama bin Laden. According to an investigation by the Wall Street Journal, Bush convinced Shafiq Bin Laden, Osamas half brother, to sink $2 million of BinLaden Group money into Carlyles accounts. In a pr move, the Carlyle group cut its ties to the BinLaden Group in October 2001.
CONTINUED...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/06/when-war-is-swell-the-carlyle-group-and-the-middle-east-at-war/
Odd that you would not be interested in knowing more about the BFEE, the heart of darkness in America, the War Party. Then, again, that's what defenders of the NSA and its owners have in common.
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NSA says Snowden e-mails exempt from public disclosure and secret [View all]
Ichingcarpenter
Jul 2014
OP
Yeah, they kinda did...they said "we have them, but we're not showing them to you"...
truebrit71
Jul 2014
#289
Why anyone would trust the NSA is beyond me. Especially after Clapper's perjury.
morningfog
Jul 2014
#76
Lol, well considering the NSA denied that for a year, then 'suddenly' found ONE, I think we all
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#307
Yes, as I said, they 'suddenly found ONE' after denying ANY for a full year.
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#311
Well, let me see. Who should I trust more, Bush loyalists and appointees at the NSA or
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#314
Why is Bush loyalist and appointee, liar to Congress, Clapper, still head of the NSA?
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#316
I am stating facts. I did ask you several times why Clapper is still head of the NSA.
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#321
It's a logical fallacy to state that Bush Appointee, Clapper, who lied to Congress is still
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#323
I have stated, you resorted to a logical fallacy. The discussion is over. eom
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#324
No, this discussion will continue, with or without you because it is vitally important
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#325
I did ask a relevant question several times but received no response to it. Just mild personal
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#351
No worries, Snowden KEPT all his emails covering his ass legally on disclosing law breaking
uponit7771
Jul 2014
#10
And everybody seems to be missing the most important part of this denied request
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#36
but it's all nice and legal, and that's all that really matters in the eyes of the authoritarian..
frylock
Jul 2014
#51
And the FISA court judges are appointed by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts.
neverforget
Jul 2014
#147
The Snowden detractors actually posted the article. Then went with it big time
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#134
Cali Democrat who posted the article itself is an ardent anti-Snowden poster!
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#136
I gave you examples of threads where anti- Snowden posters brought those topics into the discussion
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#217
Google "Snowden girlfriend Democraticunderground June 2013". There are MANY threads
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#120
I never understood why his defenders crafted the strawman that there was something wrong with what
MADem
Jul 2014
#175
Yup. They own it now. Even more so as they persist with lame Snowden/ Greenwald smears.
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#220
Correct, your half of discussion was about pretending there isn't a smear campaign
bobduca
Jul 2014
#380
I attacked Snowden for boxes? Or was it his neighbors? Or was it another DUer?
Cali_Democrat
Jul 2014
#260
So where are the DUers disparaging Snowden for having boxes in his garage?
Cali_Democrat
Jul 2014
#249
It's been two months since he claimed there were other emails. You'd think he would
MADem
Jul 2014
#230
The NSA, after denying for a year that there were emails, suddenly found 'one'. Now they
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#300
You are wrong. I wrote: 'Booz Allen Hamilton is owned by Carlyle Group, a subsidiary of the BFEE.'
Octafish
Jul 2014
#54
No 'CT' smear at all. The Bush Family Evil Empire represents the Fascist Heart of Power
Octafish
Jul 2014
#75
Jesus then put him on ignore instead of spamming the DISCUSSION board with this shit
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#122
I posted and showed where you're wrong without you once refuting what I wrote.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#145
This seems so familiar. What was your old DU screen name? I know I know you.
morningfog
Jul 2014
#80
No more than Ford and dozens of other corporate owners who invested in Germany. eom
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#294
Tragic. I bet you fully supported Octafish right up until that very instant.
RufusTFirefly
Jul 2014
#114
It was a fill in the blank email that specifically referenced training Snowden received.
MADem
Jul 2014
#177
"Bullshit" isn't a rebuttal. It's an expression of your personal vexation, nothing more.
MADem
Jul 2014
#204
most importantly, it would expose the NSA lying their asses off about Snowden's emails..
frylock
Jul 2014
#22
So you think the NSA claimed Snowden didn't write ANY emails at all at any time?????
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#42
we have not found any evidence to support Mr. Snowden’s contention that he brought these matters..
frylock
Jul 2014
#53
It's like a rerun of the "Whitey tape" BS I saw all over the internet in 2008.
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#156
Snowden should just release the emails he claims exists and it will all be cleared up.
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#38
If they're not doing anything WRONG, then they've got nothing to HIDE !!!
blkmusclmachine
Jul 2014
#62
Putin and Snowden have a mutual admiration society.. Pooite loves what Snowden does..
Cha
Jul 2014
#239
He should just do it if he has them--this "Nanny, nanny boo boo" game is childish.
MADem
Jul 2014
#172
Yeah, he's "messaging" so well that his supporters are getting all strident and angry.
MADem
Jul 2014
#222
I'm just calling it as I see it, I am not "sniping." YMMV, we might as well just leave it there. nt
MADem
Jul 2014
#364
We're going to be hearing more about government data that's backed up, in the coming days, imo (nt)
Babel_17
Jul 2014
#214
That's why I posted what I posted: The Big Picture is NSA LIES to its supposed bosses...
Octafish
Jul 2014
#283
While I save my condescension for conservatives, I do hold in contempt all who support the Lie.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#350
When someone is caught lying, as the NSA were, for over a year when they denied he had
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#302
What is ludicrous is that the NSA has consistently lied to the American people all the way back to
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#358
The NSA stated a year or more ago, that there was 'no paper trail' between them and Snowden
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#361
Raising concerns with superiors (which is what Chelsea Manning did also) and going
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#366
Yes, where to begin indeed. The NSA LIED about ANY emails from Snowden for a FULL YEAR. THEN
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#375
Look, you can try to defend them all you want, but the fact is they DENIED any emails to various
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#382
Not 'we', you are ignoring all the links provided for you where the NSA, according to
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#384
At this point, believing anything the NSA says is naive, not to mention ludicrous.
djean111
Jul 2014
#326
Evidently criticizing anything while Obama is president is bad chi or something.
djean111
Jul 2014
#337
But but but...boxes and stripper polls! It is sad how desperate the apologists for the NSA are
Rex
Jul 2014
#345
Poles. Stripper Poles. Really need to be aware of spelling, which can change meaning on DU.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#365