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In reply to the discussion: NSA says Snowden e-mails exempt from public disclosure and secret [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)97. Shows what you know.
Here's something I know: The facts show the nation's mass media are manipulated by CIA. Here's how CIA got its media ducks in a row regarding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy:
CIA Document #1035-960, marked "PSYCH" for presumably Psychological Warfare Operations, in the division "CS", the Clandestine Services, sometimes known as the "dirty tricks" department.
CIA Instructions to Media Assets
RE: Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report
1. Our Concern. From the day of President Kennedy's assassination on, there has been speculation about the responsibility for his murder. Although this was stemmed for a time by the Warren Commission report, (which appeared at the end of September 1964), various writers have now had time to scan the Commission's published report and documents for new pretexts for questioning, and there has been a new wave of books and articles criticizing the Commission's findings. In most cases the critics have speculated as to the existence of some kind of conspiracy, and often they have implied that the Commission itself was involved. Presumably as a result of the increasing challenge to the Warren Commission's report, a public opinion poll recently indicated that 46% of the American public did not think that Oswald acted alone, while more than half of those polled thought that the Commission had left some questions unresolved. Doubtless polls abroad would show similar, or possibly more adverse results.
2. This trend of opinion is a matter of concern to the U.S. government, including our organization. The members of the Warren Commission were naturally chosen for their integrity, experience and prominence. They represented both major parties, and they and their staff were deliberately drawn from all sections of the country. Just because of the standing of the Commissioners, efforts to impugn their rectitude and wisdom tend to cast doubt on the whole leadership of American society. Moreover, there seems to be an increasing tendency to hint that President Johnson himself, as the one person who might be said to have benefited, was in some way responsible for the assassination. Innuendo of such seriousness affects not only the individual concerned, but also the whole reputation of the American government. Our organization itself is directly involved: among other facts, we contributed information to the investigation. Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries. Background information is supplied in a classified section and in a number of unclassified attachments.
3. Action. We do not recommend that discussion of the assassination question be initiated where it is not already taking place. Where discussion is active addresses are requested:
a. To discuss the publicity problem with (?)and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors), pointing out that the Warren Commission made as thorough an investigation as humanly possible, that the charges of the critics are without serious foundation, and that further speculative discussion only plays into the hands of the opposition. Point out also that parts of the conspiracy talk appear to be deliberately generated by Communist propagandists. Urge them to use their influence to discourage unfounded and irresponsible speculation.
b. To employ propaganda assets to and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose. The unclassified attachments to this guidance should provide useful background material for passing to assets. Our ploy should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (II) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (V) infatuated with their own theories. In the course of discussions of the whole phenomenon of criticism, a useful strategy may be to single out Epstein's theory for attack, using the attached Fletcher article and Spectator piece for background. (Although Mark Lane's book is much less convincing that Epstein's and comes off badly where confronted by knowledgeable critics, it is also much more difficult to answer as a whole, as one becomes lost in a morass of unrelated details.)
4. In private to media discussions not directed at any particular writer, or in attacking publications which may be yet forthcoming, the following arguments should be useful:
a. No significant new evidence has emerged which the Commission did not consider. The assassination is sometimes compared (e.g., by Joachim Joesten and Bertrand Russell) with the Dreyfus case; however, unlike that case, the attack on the Warren Commission have produced no new evidence, no new culprits have been convincingly identified, and there is no agreement among the critics. (A better parallel, though an imperfect one, might be with the Reichstag fire of 1933, which some competent historians (Fritz Tobias, AJ.P. Taylor, D.C. Watt) now believe was set by Vander Lubbe on his own initiative, without acting for either Nazis or Communists; the Nazis tried to pin the blame on the Communists, but the latter have been more successful in convincing the world that the Nazis were to blame.)
b. Critics usually overvalue particular items and ignore others. They tend to place more emphasis on the recollections of individual witnesses (which are less reliable and more divergent--and hence offer more hand-holds for criticism) and less on ballistics, autopsy, and photographic evidence. A close examination of the Commission's records will usually show that the conflicting eyewitness accounts are quoted out of context, or were discarded by the Commission for good and sufficient reason.
c. Conspiracy on the large scale often suggested would be impossible to conceal in the United States, esp. since informants could expect to receive large royalties, etc. Note that Robert Kennedy, Attorney General at the time and John F. Kennedy's brother, would be the last man to overlook or conceal any conspiracy. And as one reviewer pointed out, Congressman Gerald R. Ford would hardly have held his tongue for the sake of the Democratic administration, and Senator Russell would have had every political interest in exposing any misdeeds on the part of Chief Justice Warren. A conspirator moreover would hardly choose a location for a shooting where so much depended on conditions beyond his control: the route, the speed of the cars, the moving target, the risk that the assassin would be discovered. A group of wealthy conspirators could have arranged much more secure conditions.
d. Critics have often been enticed by a form of intellectual pride: they light on some theory and fall in love with it; they also scoff at the Commission because it did not always answer every question with a flat decision one way or the other. Actually, the make-up of the Commission and its staff was an excellent safeguard against over-commitment to any one theory, or against the illicit transformation of probabilities into certainties.
e. Oswald would not have been any sensible person's choice for a co-conspirator. He was a "loner," mixed up, of questionable reliability and an unknown quantity to any professional intelligence service. (Archivist's note: This claim is demonstrably untrue with the latest file releases. The CIA had an operational interest in Oswald less than a month before the assassination. Source: Oswald and the CIA, John Newman and newly released files from the National Archives.)
f. As to charges that the Commission's report was a rush job, it emerged three months after the deadline originally set. But to the degree that the Commission tried to speed up its reporting, this was largely due to the pressure of irresponsible speculation already appearing, in some cases coming from the same critics who, refusing to admit their errors, are now putting out new criticisms.
g. Such vague accusations as that "more than ten people have died mysteriously" can always be explained in some natural way e.g.: the individuals concerned have for the most part died of natural causes; the Commission staff questioned 418 witnesses (the FBI interviewed far more people, conduction 25,000 interviews and re interviews), and in such a large group, a certain number of deaths are to be expected. (When Penn Jones, one of the originators of the "ten mysterious deaths" line, appeared on television, it emerged that two of the deaths on his list were from heart attacks, one from cancer, one was from a head-on collision on a bridge, and one occurred when a driver drifted into a bridge abutment.)
5. Where possible, counter speculation by encouraging reference to the Commission's Report itself. Open-minded foreign readers should still be impressed by the care, thoroughness, objectivity and speed with which the Commission worked. Reviewers of other books might be encouraged to add to their account the idea that, checking back with the report itself, they found it far superior to the work of its critics.
SOURCE: http://www.boston.com/community/forums/news/national/general/cia-instructions-to-media-assets-doc-1035-960/80/6210620
From 2003, first OP on DU I could find on it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x765619
That is very important, considering George H. W. Bush was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Something else that is telling, Bush reported to the FBI he heard someone talk of killing President Kennedy, yet he waited to report it until after he was sure President Kennedy was deceased.

So, when you can't argue the facts, the instructions call for an attack on the messenger.
Hey! What a co-incidence.
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NSA says Snowden e-mails exempt from public disclosure and secret [View all]
Ichingcarpenter
Jul 2014
OP
Yeah, they kinda did...they said "we have them, but we're not showing them to you"...
truebrit71
Jul 2014
#289
Why anyone would trust the NSA is beyond me. Especially after Clapper's perjury.
morningfog
Jul 2014
#76
Lol, well considering the NSA denied that for a year, then 'suddenly' found ONE, I think we all
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#307
Yes, as I said, they 'suddenly found ONE' after denying ANY for a full year.
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#311
Well, let me see. Who should I trust more, Bush loyalists and appointees at the NSA or
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#314
Why is Bush loyalist and appointee, liar to Congress, Clapper, still head of the NSA?
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#316
I am stating facts. I did ask you several times why Clapper is still head of the NSA.
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#321
It's a logical fallacy to state that Bush Appointee, Clapper, who lied to Congress is still
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#323
I have stated, you resorted to a logical fallacy. The discussion is over. eom
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#324
No, this discussion will continue, with or without you because it is vitally important
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#325
I did ask a relevant question several times but received no response to it. Just mild personal
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#351
No worries, Snowden KEPT all his emails covering his ass legally on disclosing law breaking
uponit7771
Jul 2014
#10
And everybody seems to be missing the most important part of this denied request
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#36
but it's all nice and legal, and that's all that really matters in the eyes of the authoritarian..
frylock
Jul 2014
#51
And the FISA court judges are appointed by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts.
neverforget
Jul 2014
#147
The Snowden detractors actually posted the article. Then went with it big time
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#134
Cali Democrat who posted the article itself is an ardent anti-Snowden poster!
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#136
I gave you examples of threads where anti- Snowden posters brought those topics into the discussion
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#217
Google "Snowden girlfriend Democraticunderground June 2013". There are MANY threads
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#120
I never understood why his defenders crafted the strawman that there was something wrong with what
MADem
Jul 2014
#175
Yup. They own it now. Even more so as they persist with lame Snowden/ Greenwald smears.
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#220
Correct, your half of discussion was about pretending there isn't a smear campaign
bobduca
Jul 2014
#380
I attacked Snowden for boxes? Or was it his neighbors? Or was it another DUer?
Cali_Democrat
Jul 2014
#260
So where are the DUers disparaging Snowden for having boxes in his garage?
Cali_Democrat
Jul 2014
#249
It's been two months since he claimed there were other emails. You'd think he would
MADem
Jul 2014
#230
The NSA, after denying for a year that there were emails, suddenly found 'one'. Now they
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#300
You are wrong. I wrote: 'Booz Allen Hamilton is owned by Carlyle Group, a subsidiary of the BFEE.'
Octafish
Jul 2014
#54
No 'CT' smear at all. The Bush Family Evil Empire represents the Fascist Heart of Power
Octafish
Jul 2014
#75
Jesus then put him on ignore instead of spamming the DISCUSSION board with this shit
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#122
I posted and showed where you're wrong without you once refuting what I wrote.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#145
This seems so familiar. What was your old DU screen name? I know I know you.
morningfog
Jul 2014
#80
No more than Ford and dozens of other corporate owners who invested in Germany. eom
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#294
Tragic. I bet you fully supported Octafish right up until that very instant.
RufusTFirefly
Jul 2014
#114
It was a fill in the blank email that specifically referenced training Snowden received.
MADem
Jul 2014
#177
"Bullshit" isn't a rebuttal. It's an expression of your personal vexation, nothing more.
MADem
Jul 2014
#204
most importantly, it would expose the NSA lying their asses off about Snowden's emails..
frylock
Jul 2014
#22
So you think the NSA claimed Snowden didn't write ANY emails at all at any time?????
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#42
we have not found any evidence to support Mr. Snowden’s contention that he brought these matters..
frylock
Jul 2014
#53
It's like a rerun of the "Whitey tape" BS I saw all over the internet in 2008.
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#156
Snowden should just release the emails he claims exists and it will all be cleared up.
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#38
If they're not doing anything WRONG, then they've got nothing to HIDE !!!
blkmusclmachine
Jul 2014
#62
Putin and Snowden have a mutual admiration society.. Pooite loves what Snowden does..
Cha
Jul 2014
#239
He should just do it if he has them--this "Nanny, nanny boo boo" game is childish.
MADem
Jul 2014
#172
Yeah, he's "messaging" so well that his supporters are getting all strident and angry.
MADem
Jul 2014
#222
I'm just calling it as I see it, I am not "sniping." YMMV, we might as well just leave it there. nt
MADem
Jul 2014
#364
We're going to be hearing more about government data that's backed up, in the coming days, imo (nt)
Babel_17
Jul 2014
#214
That's why I posted what I posted: The Big Picture is NSA LIES to its supposed bosses...
Octafish
Jul 2014
#283
While I save my condescension for conservatives, I do hold in contempt all who support the Lie.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#350
When someone is caught lying, as the NSA were, for over a year when they denied he had
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#302
What is ludicrous is that the NSA has consistently lied to the American people all the way back to
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#358
The NSA stated a year or more ago, that there was 'no paper trail' between them and Snowden
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#361
Raising concerns with superiors (which is what Chelsea Manning did also) and going
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#366
Yes, where to begin indeed. The NSA LIED about ANY emails from Snowden for a FULL YEAR. THEN
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#375
Look, you can try to defend them all you want, but the fact is they DENIED any emails to various
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#382
Not 'we', you are ignoring all the links provided for you where the NSA, according to
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#384
At this point, believing anything the NSA says is naive, not to mention ludicrous.
djean111
Jul 2014
#326
Evidently criticizing anything while Obama is president is bad chi or something.
djean111
Jul 2014
#337
But but but...boxes and stripper polls! It is sad how desperate the apologists for the NSA are
Rex
Jul 2014
#345
Poles. Stripper Poles. Really need to be aware of spelling, which can change meaning on DU.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#365