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WAR ON WOMEN: Tennessee Arrests First Mother Under Its New Pregnancy Criminalization Law [View all] conservaphobe Jul 2014 OP

Well, shame on Tennessee. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #1

K&R redqueen Jul 2014 #2

In the article, Brigid Jul 2014 #3

huh? while this law is a travesty, I think librechik Jul 2014 #4

WRONG! BillZBubb Jul 2014 #6

no, it's a classic confusion strategy librechik Jul 2014 #10

You're the one confused here. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #111

I grow weary of your solecisms. librechik Jul 2014 #116

Solecisms! That's funny. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #122

while I think criminal charges are wrong, your "facts" are lacking "facts" magical thyme Jul 2014 #140

No my facts are correct. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #144

Your "facts" are that it "probably did no harm" magical thyme Jul 2014 #152

how about putting the same Niceguy1 Jul 2014 #164

for the 3rd time, I think criminal charges are wrong magical thyme Jul 2014 #167

Is blowing crystal meth in the face of a one week old bad? joeglow3 Jul 2014 #15

It's part of the anti-abortion agenda, which is part of the war on women. pnwmom Jul 2014 #18

You realize that did not answer my questions? joeglow3 Jul 2014 #21

This child isn't fighting for its life and the woman isn't even accused of taking narcotics. pnwmom Jul 2014 #23

So, where do you draw the line? joeglow3 Jul 2014 #32

On actions taken after birth, not things the mother does to herself, pnwmom Jul 2014 #35

I have *extremely* strong feelings about maternal abuse of drugs. moriah Jul 2014 #142

We agree that jail isn't the answer. pnwmom Jul 2014 #149

This scenario actually happened to me 16 yrs ago rbrnmw Jul 2014 #185

Wow. Your story deserves its own OP. That would be every mother's nightmare. pnwmom Jul 2014 #187

me too it was horrifying rbrnmw Jul 2014 #188

Having a baby is so fraught with emotion under the best of circumstances. pnwmom Jul 2014 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Jul 2014 #186

You do realize that a fetus is not a born child? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #46

I am sure the 13 year old in a 28 year old's body referenced above feels better knowing that joeglow3 Jul 2014 #169

What about children born with fetal alcohol syndrome? JDPriestly Jul 2014 #61

Right. FAS is about as bad as it gets, but we shouldn't be imprisoning women pnwmom Jul 2014 #101

When someone asked about not drinking during pregnancy: GoneOffShore Jul 2014 #171

I would not trust the French on this issue. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #189

My English sister-in-law was pregnant with her first child GoneOffShore Jul 2014 #193

Instead of Guiness, he should have prescribed vitamin B for your sister. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #194

Seriously? BillZBubb Jul 2014 #114

Those cannot be honest questions. morningfog Jul 2014 #143

I take it you have never worked in a NICU joeglow3 Jul 2014 #170

WRONG!!!! Warpy Jul 2014 #68

so let's blur the lines between abortion and harming the fetus. librechik Jul 2014 #73

Word salad Warpy Jul 2014 #77

excuse me, I am sure it IS part of the war on women librechik Jul 2014 #83

You are being deceptive. You said in your original post... BillZBubb Jul 2014 #117

you still here? librechik Jul 2014 #119

That's your retort? Was the quotation incorrect? BillZBubb Jul 2014 #124

old blind deaf and sub Bill? librechik Jul 2014 #130

Be honest, was the quotation incorrect? BillZBubb Jul 2014 #133

I guess they want pregnant drug addicts to get abortions. Shrike47 Jul 2014 #5

Or to give birth at home, away from doctors and hospitals. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #24

Meanwhile there are threads mocking India for a war on women....check the back yard first. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #7

This isn't even close to the situation for women in India, no matter pnwmom Jul 2014 #20

Wonder what they are going to do to polluters who poison wells with chemical runoff. That is the jwirr Jul 2014 #8

oh, dear, I'm so sorry. Duppers Jul 2014 #11

Could you have your water tested? JDPriestly Jul 2014 #66

We lived on a farm at the bottom of a hill so the runoff every rain brought the farm chemicals down jwirr Jul 2014 #154

Very, very true. The pregnant mother is not always the JDPriestly Jul 2014 #156

I totally agree with you on alcohol and drug use during pregnancy. I have two great grandchildren jwirr Jul 2014 #158

as a mother i was extremely aware that the health of my baby Duppers Jul 2014 #9

The problem with this dumbass law is that it will discourage women who have taken drugs pnwmom Jul 2014 #14

point made. Duppers Jul 2014 #16

RISKING LIVES! MOTHER AND BABY. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #79

Is it risking a baby's life to take a cold pill or asthma medicine pnwmom Jul 2014 #89

. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #94

We're clearly on the same page then. pnwmom Jul 2014 #95

Today cold medicine ... littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #96

Or poppy seeds! n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #98

Exactly. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #100

one of the things about it d_r Jul 2014 #136

Where is the research that shows that meth use late in pregnancy damages a fetus? pnwmom Jul 2014 #141

yeah d_r Jul 2014 #153

As a mother of three and a former RN .... etherealtruth Jul 2014 #22

I wish people would read your response here and pnwmom's above. redqueen Jul 2014 #26

Of course it has to be spelled out IronLionZion Jul 2014 #56

It shouldn't have to be. Not here. redqueen Jul 2014 #60

I appreciate your commitment, but your way off base here. bluesbassman Jul 2014 #104

You're way off base with your interpretation. redqueen Jul 2014 #105

Possibly because YOU are the only one accusing other members of being anti-choice. bluesbassman Jul 2014 #108

WTF? I didn't "attack" any members I mentioned a goddamned fact! redqueen Jul 2014 #110

Gee, I didn't realize I was getting hysterical. Guess I'll calm down and discuss this rationally. bluesbassman Jul 2014 #115

"hysterical" redqueen Jul 2014 #118

That's what is being implied when one tells one to "calm down". bluesbassman Jul 2014 #126

Bullshit. Saying "calm down" in NO way implies that anyone is "hysterical". redqueen Jul 2014 #128

I reframed nothing and even qualified my original comment. bluesbassman Jul 2014 #132

Whatever. redqueen Jul 2014 #135

Well I'm glad we've cleared that up, and thank you, I will! bluesbassman Jul 2014 #139

I've seen at least one longtime DUer say they support overturning Roe v. Wade (though the post was nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #181

Thank you get the red out Jul 2014 #58

Please forgive me if this is a stupid question... ohheckyeah Jul 2014 #64

No one knows, least of all the police and prosecutor. For example, pnwmom Jul 2014 #92

Wow - whatever happened to ohheckyeah Jul 2014 #97

Whatever happened to Miranda? Maybe the doctors should be administering it pnwmom Jul 2014 #99

SMH at what this country has become. n/t ohheckyeah Jul 2014 #103

I agree! Duppers Jul 2014 #70

Its hard ... I think all of us etherealtruth Jul 2014 #72

Yes. To your whole post! pnwmom Jul 2014 #91

"don't bash me until you've seen this for yourself" kcr Jul 2014 #41

good grief !!1!!1 Duppers Jul 2014 #63

Your fervor is feuled by misinformation kcr Jul 2014 #67

..... 840high Jul 2014 #80

While it's tough to watch a newborn go through withdrawal Warpy Jul 2014 #84

Thanks, Warpy. Duppers Jul 2014 #90

Something like only 5% of severe alcoholics have kids with FAS Warpy Jul 2014 #106

Rather pointless law... Lancero Jul 2014 #12

It mandates a new class to be abused by drug testing firms. bluedigger Jul 2014 #17

This is a creepy, creeping extension of anti-abortion lawmaking. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #13

The law sucks, but she smoked meth when she was pregnant FFS... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #19

See posts 14 and 22. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #27

"there�s no evidence the young woman...caused harm to her newborn child." Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #29

So you're okay with crack addicted babies, yes? truebrit71 Jul 2014 #62

Of course we don't know how many times she did it, but ... if it WAS one time? brett_jv Jul 2014 #88

I can only report what the newspaper article said. No harm found to the child. As for crack babies.. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #113

So smoking meth whilst pregnant is fine. truebrit71 Jul 2014 #150

No, it's a bad idea. But the long-term effects have been greatly exaggerated. That was the point. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #183

Will you please show us the research? pnwmom Jul 2014 #160

Just a simple Google search should help. truebrit71 Jul 2014 #172

I did. And it isn't out there. That's why I asked you to show me. n't pnwmom Jul 2014 #173

Hmm, I must use a different Google than you... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #174

I didn't say that. I said there isn't good research out there that shows pnwmom Jul 2014 #176

So until there's "good research" we should abandon common sense? truebrit71 Jul 2014 #178

The research I've seen says that cigarettes and alcohol pnwmom Jul 2014 #179

Yup. Hard drugs are just peachy when you're pregnant. truebrit71 Jul 2014 #180

I didn't even use Tylenol, because I don't think pregnant women should pnwmom Jul 2014 #182

The law does not apply to her actions. riqster Jul 2014 #49

Actually, there is very little research out there that shows pnwmom Jul 2014 #159

I am sure there are those that would etherealtruth Jul 2014 #166

She smoked meth before giving birth. House Jul 2014 #25

See posts 14 and 22. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #28

"there�s no evidence the young woman...caused harm to her newborn child." Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #30

She admitted to doing it. House Jul 2014 #34

It is not a crime to smoke or drink while pregnant. Maybe not smart, but not a crime. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #36

I don't believe I said it was a crime. House Jul 2014 #37

You used the words not allowed kcr Jul 2014 #43

No, you should "clarify" that the words "not allowed" are not applicable in the least. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #55

Try coffee, scrambled eggs, and bacon HockeyMom Jul 2014 #54

Did the doctor read her her Miranda rights before taking her medical history? pnwmom Jul 2014 #38

+1 leftstreet Jul 2014 #45

What happened to doctor-patient privilege? Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2014 #78

"women aren't allowed to smoke or drink alcohol while pregnant"----WRONG!! Where do YOU live?! WinkyDink Jul 2014 #51

"women aren't allowed to smoke or drink alcohol while pregnant". What? uppityperson Jul 2014 #75

Women ARE allowed to smoke and drink while they're pregnant. pnwmom Jul 2014 #175

meth dosen't hurt children,...... pregnant or not NM_Birder Jul 2014 #39

You want to send this woman to prison for 15 years for something that didn't even hurt her fetus? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #42

"Pregnancy and Drug Use: The Facts" Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #50

First-degree-murder laws tend to be ignored until someone is murdered. Your point? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #53

Dink, I agree. Meth doesn't cause problems, NM_Birder Jul 2014 #196

You can get a false positive on a meth test from taking a cold pill or asthma medicine. pnwmom Jul 2014 #69

Really .... etherealtruth Jul 2014 #44

I'm not sure where your response comes from. House Jul 2014 #48

It is regarding the woman in the article and all women etherealtruth Jul 2014 #52

Then you need to consider the larger picture. cyberswede Jul 2014 #71

It seems people are getting too emotional and irrational about this. House Jul 2014 #121

Which one am I - emotional or irrational? cyberswede Jul 2014 #125

Maybe hysterical, you uppity womyn you uppityperson Jul 2014 #138

LOL cyberswede Jul 2014 #146

A Fine Addition to Du indeed uppityperson Jul 2014 #147

Err, welcome to DU. Have you considered this as your avatar? alp227 Jul 2014 #195

What happened to lawlessness and less government intrusions? liberal N proud Jul 2014 #31

This is wrong on so many levels -- I want to kick someone. pnwmom Jul 2014 #33

Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #81

What bullshit ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #40

Oh, it'll be a deterrent for addicts, all right. Mariana Jul 2014 #157

+1 ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #184

Obviously, the logical end-game is to outlaw abortion. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #47

And ultimately, to turn women back into chattel. riqster Jul 2014 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jul 2014 #93

sorry about the dumbmity of my post Duppers Jul 2014 #120

No problem! I'm good friends with that stick, myself! WinkyDink Jul 2014 #155

"ACLU-TN Seeks to Challenge New Law Criminalizing Addicted Mothers" Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #59

Not to be rude, but..... daleanime Jul 2014 #65

Why is there never any talk ohheckyeah Jul 2014 #74

Instead of arguing with each other... Wait Wut Jul 2014 #76

Good post. Agree. 840high Jul 2014 #82

well said. n/t one_voice Jul 2014 #148

The problem is that the law itself won't help. It will just make things worse. pnwmom Jul 2014 #162

Pregnancy. The gateway drug. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #85

SMH Mr Dixon Jul 2014 #86

Breast milk? eom littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #87

Why does this blog omit the fact that the baby girl tested POSITIVE FOR METH? LittleBlue Jul 2014 #102

The kiddo will have a rough 48-72 hours Warpy Jul 2014 #107

They are very compassionate people LittleBlue Jul 2014 #109

Cold pills and asthma medicine can cause false positives for meth because pnwmom Jul 2014 #163

This is a good case to prove the stupidity of the law. nt Ilsa Jul 2014 #112

One can think arresting her this way is bad public policy and still not think a 9 mo. pregnant woman Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #123

Exactly. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #127

But goddess fucking forbid anyone lament that that fact should have to be explained here redqueen Jul 2014 #129

Surprising ain't it! BillZBubb Jul 2014 #134

Sadly, it is not. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #137

That is what enraging in these discussions etherealtruth Jul 2014 #151

It isn't a great thing and I wouldn't do it. I didn't even use Tylenol. pnwmom Jul 2014 #165

Except studies have demonstrated that meth use during pregnancy harms the fetus. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #177

In the fine tradition of the "war on drugs".. sendero Jul 2014 #131

Neonatal Abstinence Syndrome ain't shit compared to intellectual delays, which alcohol causes. moriah Jul 2014 #145

Southern states are turning into baby mills--selling kids. This is a way to takes babies from mother McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #161

Won't this INCREASE abortions and back alley deliveries? apples and oranges Jul 2014 #168

Kick! Heidi Jul 2014 #190

Completely serious here... Quantess Jul 2014 #192