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Faryn Balyncd

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50. It appears you have not read either the article or the study:
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:23 AM
Jul 2014

Last edited Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:54 AM - Edit history (1)



First of all, you assert "They did not feed rats just the crop under test. They always fed the rats RoundUp. RoundUp is known to be toxic."

However, the article linked in the OP clearly states- "Toxic effects were found from the GM maize tested alone, as well as from Roundup tested alone and together with the maize."

Because of your statement that ""They did not feed rats just the crop under test. They always fed the rats RoundUp." (directly contradicting the article), I examined the study itself to see if the OP article had misreported in regard to whether Monsanto's Roundup ready corn was also tested without Roundup as well as with Roundup. Here's the result:



Background

The health effects of a Roundup-tolerant NK603 genetically modified (GM) maize (from 11% in the diet), cultivated with or without Roundup application and Roundup alone (from 0.1 ppb of the full pesticide containing glyphosate and adjuvants) in drinking water, were evaluated for 2 years in rats. This study constitutes a follow-up investigation of a 90-day feeding study conducted by Monsanto in order to obtain commercial release of this GMO, employing the same rat strain and analyzing biochemical parameters on the same number of animals per group as our investigation. Our research represents the first chronic study on these substances...

Discussion

"... in our study presented here, in addition to extending the treatment period from 90 days to 2 years and in order to better ascertain the source of any ill health observed, we included additional test feeding groups. These consisted of NK603 maize grown without as well as with R application and R alone administered via drinking water. Furthermore, we used three levels of dosing in all cases rather than the two previously used [3], in order to highlight any dose response effects of a given treatment. It is also important to note that our study is the first to conduct blood, urine, and organ analyses from animals treated with the complete agricultural formulation of R and not just G alone, as measured by the manufacturer.

http://www.enveurope.com/content/26/1/14



So it would appear that your assertions that " They did not feed rats just the crop under test. They always fed the rats RoundUp..... Food from RoundUp Ready crops is not normally coated in RoundUp - they added RoundUp to the food in this study." are simply not correct.


Second, this study was designed to look for possible renal, hepatic, and endocrine toxicities over an exposure time longer than the 90 days of Monsanto's study, and was not designed as a carcinogenic study.




What is perhaps more disturbing (than your misrepresentation of whether the crop had been tested without Roundup, your focus on carcinogenesis rather than renal and hepatic effects, and your apparent lack of concern regarding the adequacy of a feeding trial limited to 90 days), however, is your opening question "'Do you have evidence that they aren't?", which implies that the burden of proof should be, not with the corporation seeking approval to market products such as Roundup and Roundup ready corn, but with others.

Certainly, you must not believe that the burden of proof belongs with anyone other than Monsanto... But why then such readiness to criticize those bold enough to undertake overdue long-term studies?





It would seem that the essential issue remains that pointed out in the OP,;




According to Patrick Holden, Chief Executive of the Sustainable Food Trust (SFT) the study highlights the inadequacy of current safety testing:

"The most obvious deficiency relates to the fact that the current approval process is based on animal feeding trials of only 90 days, a totally inadequate duration when one considers that chronic diseases in animals and humans do not usually manifest until mid-life."





Is this not a concern you find reasonable?


















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That study is STILL garbage mathematic Jul 2014 #1
ROFL... SidDithers Jul 2014 #2
Is it just me or is "Alternet" getting worse and worse? snooper2 Jul 2014 #3
Sadly, science reporting on the left is almost as bad as it is on the right...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #4
On this I must agree. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #26
I've never trusted their content Bonx Jul 2014 #16
wow G_j Jul 2014 #5
No, we've just seen this garbage posted several times already...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #6
ROFL G_j Jul 2014 #8
You're the one characterizing this as a major study... SidDithers Jul 2014 #9
If one guys can pay so much then wisechoice Jul 2014 #38
I think it's partly that "where's our jetpacks? their absence means SOMEBODY is to blame!" MisterP Jul 2014 #13
gawd I wish this nonsense would die permanently.... mike_c Jul 2014 #7
It won't... SidDithers Jul 2014 #10
You have a point. Since GMO corn is used so widely, Damansarajaya Jul 2014 #35
"We" didn't see the increase in obesity, diabetes and cancer? KurtNYC Jul 2014 #42
Hmmm . . . good data. I'm not a GMO fan. Damansarajaya Jul 2014 #45
Soda is GMO corn (HFCS) which is designed to be loaded with most easily absorbed sugar -- fructose KurtNYC Jul 2014 #47
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #15
I thought I had read the rats were predisposed to tumors! MohRokTah Jul 2014 #27
Alan McHughen frustrated_lefty Jul 2014 #31
Yay! More crappy science!! jeff47 Jul 2014 #11
Nailed it... SidDithers Jul 2014 #12
Do critics of this publication have evidence that current testing standards are optimal? Faryn Balyncd Jul 2014 #14
Do you have evidence that they aren't? jeff47 Jul 2014 #19
Any study showing long term effects of wisechoice Jul 2014 #39
Yes. It's called everyone around you. jeff47 Jul 2014 #46
It appears you have not read either the article or the study: Faryn Balyncd Jul 2014 #50
The study's sample size was too small to make heads or tails out of the data. Avalux Jul 2014 #17
They should redo the study... SidDithers Jul 2014 #18
How about wisechoice Jul 2014 #43
But . . . how does that herbicide affect humans? Petrushka Jul 2014 #20
It affects them poorly. Pesticides also affect humans poorly. jeff47 Jul 2014 #21
Wow, what excellent advice for systemic pesticides! /sarcasm appal_jack Jul 2014 #23
That sounds serious Babel_17 Jul 2014 #25
Here is one on neonics & bird declines: appal_jack Jul 2014 #28
Here's some discussion of problems from using RoundUp to dry down wheat: appal_jack Jul 2014 #29
RoundUp Ready GMO's contributing to Monarch decline: appal_jack Jul 2014 #30
RoundUp & its adjuvants killing amphibians: appal_jack Jul 2014 #32
Neonic pesticides implicated in bat die-offs: appal_jack Jul 2014 #33
Extinction is indeed serious. appal_jack Jul 2014 #34
I only buy non-Monsanto altered products Babel_17 Jul 2014 #36
I agree about rational choice vs. intrinsic opposition. appal_jack Jul 2014 #49
So change the subject, and then attack the strawman for changing the subject. jeff47 Jul 2014 #44
Good Luck with your Monarchs coming back, appal jack! Thanks for your posts not promoting Cha Jul 2014 #48
serious buisiness.. G_j Jul 2014 #22
The truth: Seralini is the Andrew Wakefield of biology. alp227 Jul 2014 #24
Tracing back the source it goes to this...http://www.elsevier.com/ Rex Jul 2014 #37
The Seralini study was originallyh published in the Elsevier journal Food and Chemical Toxicology... SidDithers Jul 2014 #40
Okay thanks, yeah they wouldn't retract anything factual or I wouldn't think so. Rex Jul 2014 #41
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