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323. It's a logical fallacy to state that Bush Appointee, Clapper, who lied to Congress is still

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:22 PM

Jul 2014

head of the NSA? How so? Has he been fired and replaced with a Democrat?

There is no fallacy that I know if in pointing out that the REASON we got Snowden was because we STILL are dealing with BUSH POLICIES at the NSA.

Had all Bush/Cheney appointees been replaced with Democrats in 2009 and the desperately needed reforms to the NSA made, there would have been NO SNOWDEN, period. That is what we worked for, to END BUSH policies. The fact that this did not happen is WHY Snowden, like Binney and all the other Whistle Blowers during the Bush era, was still necessary.

Point out the logical fallacy of pointing out FACTS. These are all facts that directly relate to Snowden being only the latest Whistle Blower since Bush/Cheney took over the NSA.

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NSA says Snowden e-mails exempt from public disclosure and secret [View all] Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 OP

Cue the apologists! morningfog Jul 2014 #1

Crickets so far... /nt TampaAnimusVortex Jul 2014 #23

they're all cracking wise in the 'Snowden�s life is still in danger' thread frylock Jul 2014 #25

They've been totally pwned in this thread it is sad really. Rex Jul 2014 #343

Liars. Who still can defend the NSA? nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #2

Someone will... joeybee12 Jul 2014 #3

In the end, they came to love Big Brother. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2014 #4

I believe you answered your own question, just in the wrong order. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #7

What did they lie about MohRokTah Jul 2014 #29

according to binney ,just about everything questionseverything Jul 2014 #167

they lie reflexively.... mike_c Jul 2014 #5

DAMN!! grasswire Jul 2014 #6

My opinion precisely. What a bunch of lying idiots! JDPriestly Jul 2014 #31

Every time they open their mouths Aerows Jul 2014 #39

SNOWDEN CHALLENGES NSA: Release All Of My Emails May 2014 Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #8

yes grasswire Jul 2014 #19

They did NOT lie! MohRokTah Jul 2014 #32

NSA? They're caught in lies all the time. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #83

I've read it all MohRokTah Jul 2014 #85

The NSA has been caught in several lies DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #90

No, the request was for "any and all" emails. morningfog Jul 2014 #94

They lied. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #206

You forgot this part: sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #318

So, Snowden wasn't lying ... GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #9

NSA lied also about destroyed hard drives in london AP FOIA Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #13

No, Snowden WAS lying MohRokTah Jul 2014 #33

A pretty definative statement blackspade Jul 2014 #64

Link? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #67

Yeah, they kinda did...they said "we have them, but we're not showing them to you"... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #289

No, they did NOT say that. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #290

I did read the damned article.... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #295

Then you apprently have a reading comprehension issue. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #297

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand another one for the ignore list... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #328

. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #334

Why anyone would trust the NSA is beyond me. Especially after Clapper's perjury. morningfog Jul 2014 #76

Lol, well considering the NSA denied that for a year, then 'suddenly' found ONE, I think we all sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #307

They found one where he was asking a question related to recent training MohRokTah Jul 2014 #308

Yes, as I said, they 'suddenly found ONE' after denying ANY for a full year. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #311

Again, you have missed the point MohRokTah Jul 2014 #312

Well, let me see. Who should I trust more, Bush loyalists and appointees at the NSA or sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #314

Not a whistle blower. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #315

Why is Bush loyalist and appointee, liar to Congress, Clapper, still head of the NSA? sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #316

And now you resort to the fallacy of Argumentum ad Populum. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #317

I am stating facts. I did ask you several times why Clapper is still head of the NSA. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #321

You resorted to a logical fallacy. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #322

It's a logical fallacy to state that Bush Appointee, Clapper, who lied to Congress is still sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #323

I have stated, you resorted to a logical fallacy. The discussion is over. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #324

No, this discussion will continue, with or without you because it is vitally important sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #325

Amazing how easy it is to pwn a pretzel warrior. Rex Jul 2014 #344

I did ask a relevant question several times but received no response to it. Just mild personal sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #351

No worries, Snowden KEPT all his emails covering his ass legally on disclosing law breaking uponit7771 Jul 2014 #10

And everybody seems to be missing the most important part of this denied request MohRokTah Jul 2014 #36

He or better said, Greenwald may have them. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #40

I'm sure they'll be released in 24 business hours. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #44

lol... I bet he dont. DCBob Jul 2014 #81

Oh yes he will Aerows Jul 2014 #137

Yes, yes, of course he will. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #197

Here, let me help LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #11

something about primaries, for good measure frylock Jul 2014 #24

Don't forget Aerows Jul 2014 #45

but it's all nice and legal, and that's all that really matters in the eyes of the authoritarian.. frylock Jul 2014 #51

True Aerows Jul 2014 #52

And the FISA court judges are appointed by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts. neverforget Jul 2014 #147

But they can do no wrong... Aerows Jul 2014 #148

You forgot christx30 Jul 2014 #49

Good list, but you forgot one all-purpose rebuttal: RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #66

Yeah, we all knew about this before Aerows Jul 2014 #225

You missed a few. JoeyT Jul 2014 #174

so that "just one email, and it wasn't about secrecy issues" story was BS? librechik Jul 2014 #12

Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #14

Excellent! JDPriestly Jul 2014 #41

Dude had boxes in his garage PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #15

You must be a Snowden fan! NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #60

The point is PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #89

No, actually the point is ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #100

I hit a soft spot, eh? n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #101

How so? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #109

You responded to my post PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #112

Actually ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #118

My explanation is a couple posts above PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #119

Sorry, bur your point ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #127

As I said PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #128

+1! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #207

Here's one of many DU threads on the boxes issue riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #130

Yes, that's the original article. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #131

The Snowden detractors actually posted the article. Then went with it big time riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #134

Here we go again! NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #140

Did you read the comments ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #135

Cali Democrat who posted the article itself is an ardent anti-Snowden poster! riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #136

So non Snowden supporters ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #146

Bad premise. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #169

You're right. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #196

Bad premise DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #201

First of all ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #203

I gave you examples of threads where anti- Snowden posters brought those topics into the discussion riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #217

The examples you gave ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #223

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #236

The only people who mention boxes are Snowden's supporters Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #242

Google "Snowden girlfriend Democraticunderground June 2013". There are MANY threads riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #120

you're just dealing with obfuscation here grasswire Jul 2014 #171

Ah, yes. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #198

I never understood why his defenders crafted the strawman that there was something wrong with what MADem Jul 2014 #175

It was never of interest to me ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #194

I agree. I've never seen anyone who questioned Snowden's motives spend any time MADem Jul 2014 #202

Not really true LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #219

Yup. They own it now. Even more so as they persist with lame Snowden/ Greenwald smears. riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #220

Then provide the links ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #221

The link was already provided to you LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #241

Seriously? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #243

You've now been shown multiple threads LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #246

Go back and read this entire sub-thread. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #261

Look Nance, I know you to be a very smart person LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #264

So essentially what's going on here... Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #265

I repeat ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #267

Seriously, I thought you were better LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #331

I asked for the links ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #332

You're the one being dishonest Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #336

From the person who made the OP-- TWICE! LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #339

So... Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #340

+10000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #280

Revising internet history is hard work bobduca Jul 2014 #374

This discussion was never about a smear campaign ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #379

Correct, your half of discussion was about pretending there isn't a smear campaign bobduca Jul 2014 #380

Exactly where did I ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #381

This really is a fail on your part Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #244

LMAO! LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #248

LOL!!! Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #250

I know, right? LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #253

It wasn't "character assasination" like you claimed Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #255

It wasn't "character assasination" LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #256

LOL! Still no link to DUers attacking him for having boxes? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #258

YOUR links--TWICE! LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #259

I attacked Snowden for boxes? Or was it his neighbors? Or was it another DUer? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #260

you're dealing with orchestrated disruption here. grasswire Jul 2014 #268

Orchestrated disruption? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #270

not taking your bait. grasswire Jul 2014 #272

Poorly orchestrated, ultimately futile and 100% transparent bobduca Jul 2014 #372

Indeed LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #333

Where are the links, my dear? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #338

Exactly who ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #369

go fish nt grasswire Jul 2014 #370

Snowden and Greenwald are likely behind it, cuz they are eeeeeevil and stuff! bobduca Jul 2014 #373

The first appearance of "boxes in the garage" is here: Dr. Strange Jul 2014 #245

So where are the DUers disparaging Snowden for having boxes in his garage? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #249

Then why bring it up? Dr. Strange Jul 2014 #254

I can't speak for his nieghbors Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #257

It is funny stuff. Dr. Strange Jul 2014 #276

Ya but as you can see above... Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #278

Hmmm ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #262

I think they were "missed" because they didn't happen. nt MADem Jul 2014 #224

Not unlike Eddie's emails ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #226

It's been two months since he claimed there were other emails. You'd think he would MADem Jul 2014 #230

The NSA, after denying for a year that there were emails, suddenly found 'one'. Now they sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #300

You've never worked for government, I take it. Verbal orders don't go. MADem Jul 2014 #330

Let's hope they don't get "water damage" somewhere in storage..... KoKo Jul 2014 #16

The CIA 's rendition files that were destroyed in the UK Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #18

Yes. We have a secret government that is not JDPriestly Jul 2014 #43

The other thing that concerned me was the DOJ Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #55

It may be too late. The momentum may have us in its grip. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #59

yes when sitting US senators questionseverything Jul 2014 #63

and there are so-called Democrats here... grasswire Jul 2014 #180

Or a fire doesn't start in their office Aerows Jul 2014 #46

That little Cheney fireplace event didn't get the attention it deserved, Enthusiast Jul 2014 #208

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #17

There goes the ''Where are the Snowden emails?'' line of disparagement. Octafish Jul 2014 #20

Bull MohRokTah Jul 2014 #28

You are wrong. I wrote: 'Booz Allen Hamilton is owned by Carlyle Group, a subsidiary of the BFEE.' Octafish Jul 2014 #54

Well, four letters just caused me to reject anything you every write. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #58

No 'CT' smear at all. The Bush Family Evil Empire represents the Fascist Heart of Power Octafish Jul 2014 #75

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! MohRokTah Jul 2014 #78

Those are the facts: Nothing funny about treason and war profiteering. Octafish Jul 2014 #84

I don't click on links to CT material. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #86

No theory at all. All links are sourced, starting from DU. Octafish Jul 2014 #88

All CT makes the claim the CT is factual. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #91

Shows what you know. Octafish Jul 2014 #97

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #99

''Money trumps peace.'' -- George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Jul 2014 #102

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #103

So why bother to reply? Octafish Jul 2014 #105

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #106

So, what you don't know can't hurt you? Octafish Jul 2014 #110

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #111

Willful ignorance is making a comeback, then. Octafish Jul 2014 #115

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #117

Jesus then put him on ignore instead of spamming the DISCUSSION board with this shit riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #122

Or... MohRokTah Jul 2014 #124

I posted and showed where you're wrong without you once refuting what I wrote. Octafish Jul 2014 #145

Again, I have no reason whatsoever to read a single word you write. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #153

... questionseverything Jul 2014 #166

at least you gave Octafish plenty of room in this exchange... grasswire Jul 2014 #181

um.. you just did G_j Jul 2014 #233

Um, I saw Octafish responded to a post of mine. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #237

Good God! Stop being so fucking childish! nt elias49 Jul 2014 #247

GOOD GOD, stop responding to me and I'll stop responding back! eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #252

+1! It's not a theory, it's a conspiracy. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #209

Wow, look how childish they act!!!! Rex Jul 2014 #342

Total gripper... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #170

maybe you dont.... wildbilln864 Jul 2014 #291

When a person spews wild CT MohRokTah Jul 2014 #292

Wake up and smell the sulfur. Octafish Jul 2014 #355

This seems so familiar. What was your old DU screen name? I know I know you. morningfog Jul 2014 #80

You're brand new here, so there are things you may not be aware of. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #95

Your claims about me are false MohRokTah Jul 2014 #96

you arent brand new? reddread Jul 2014 #155

You claim I had "full-throated support of the Bush Administration" MohRokTah Jul 2014 #157

no, I would claim you lack acuity reddread Jul 2014 #161

You're entitled to your opinion. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #162

a few things to consider reddread Jul 2014 #163

I have no interest in wild conspiracy theories about the Bush family. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #164

It was George H W Bush. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #210

The most amazing thing about that clip? Enthusiast Jul 2014 #211

you are funny! n/t librechik Jul 2014 #108

Ever hear of the CCF? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #113

CW--conventional wisdom librechik Jul 2014 #121

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence MohRokTah Jul 2014 #123

not to everybody. And I don't accept your authority over the narrative. librechik Jul 2014 #132

Argumentum ad populum, another fallacy presented in CT. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #133

presumptive authority is so much more convincing in Latin librechik Jul 2014 #138

There is no presumption. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #139

you would not know if you were presumptive. librechik Jul 2014 #141

Regardless of any condescending thing you choose to say,... MohRokTah Jul 2014 #142

nobody has ever claimed that George W. Bush was involved... grasswire Jul 2014 #182

. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #186

Do you truly not know the difference... grasswire Jul 2014 #188

Forgive me for the typographical error of leaving an "H." out of my post. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #189

sez you. grasswire Jul 2014 #190

Oh brother MohRokTah Jul 2014 #212

I guess you also don't believe pappy Bush(Prescott)... wildbilln864 Jul 2014 #293

No more than Ford and dozens of other corporate owners who invested in Germany. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #294

ah, so it's ok then. wildbilln864 Jul 2014 #319

Where did I say that? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #320

Tragic. I bet you fully supported Octafish right up until that very instant. RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #114

I would at least read what he wrote. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #116

the one letter NSA did release was the most strategic Snowden wrote. grasswire Jul 2014 #21

It was a fill in the blank email that specifically referenced training Snowden received. MADem Jul 2014 #177

bullshit grasswire Jul 2014 #187

Screaming "bullshit" at me petulantly doesn't change the facts. MADem Jul 2014 #191

screaming online is CAPS. grasswire Jul 2014 #193

"Bullshit" isn't a rebuttal. It's an expression of your personal vexation, nothing more. MADem Jul 2014 #204

Even Snowden himself ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #199

Oh, dear, stop making sense! MADem Jul 2014 #229

Well, as I've said ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #232

most importantly, it would expose the NSA lying their asses off about Snowden's emails.. frylock Jul 2014 #22

Yes they lied and the proof has been in their words Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #37

So you think the NSA claimed Snowden didn't write ANY emails at all at any time????? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #42

here, this will help.. frylock Jul 2014 #47

This might help you. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #50

we have not found any evidence to support Mr. Snowden�s contention that he brought these matters.. frylock Jul 2014 #53

No concrete evidence they lied. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #57

and you have concrete evidence of Snowden lying? frylock Jul 2014 #65

IF he isn't, he should be able to present the emails. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #68

okay then. see you next time around. frylock Jul 2014 #69

I don't think ergo means what you think it means. morningfog Jul 2014 #79

You're slipping. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #234

SEE? reddread Jul 2014 #56

DURec leftstreet Jul 2014 #26

They went on a fishing expedition MohRokTah Jul 2014 #27

The S&G Show -now in its second fantabulous season! randome Jul 2014 #30

You are right about being wrong on this one. Aerows Jul 2014 #48

You misread the article, I think. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #77

Looks like the upcoming season ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #73

This show's trailers are a problem, they never come through treestar Jul 2014 #143

Ain't it always the way? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #149

It's like a rerun of the "Whitey tape" BS I saw all over the internet in 2008. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #156

... questionseverything Jul 2014 #168

LOL Hissyspit Jul 2014 #34

The NSA groupies are still buying (or selling) the NSA line. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #35

I never trust anyone that gives me that hard of a sell Aerows Jul 2014 #150

And they are GRUMPY today! Union Scribe Jul 2014 #298

it's harrd werk! grasswire Jul 2014 #309

Snowden should just release the emails he claims exists and it will all be cleared up. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #38

It seems pretty simple to me. MADem Jul 2014 #72

Or if he no longer has access. morningfog Jul 2014 #82

Here is what they are saying ... aggiesal Jul 2014 #61

exactly....thanks for pointing that out.. n/t KoKo Jul 2014 #71

good one nt grasswire Jul 2014 #185

If they're not doing anything WRONG, then they've got nothing to HIDE !!! blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #62

He needs to sign a release, and get it all out there. MADem Jul 2014 #70

Great summation of the FACTS ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #92

There would also be emails dealing with sensitive and classified matters. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #93

Then there are those who believe that every email morningfog Jul 2014 #98

The request asked ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #107

it doesn't really matter to some JI7 Jul 2014 #126

Yep, Snowden wants to stay in Russia so Putin's obliging.. no brainer for Putin. Cha Jul 2014 #165

Land of the "free!" MADem Jul 2014 #192

Putin and Snowden have a mutual admiration society.. Pooite loves what Snowden does.. Cha Jul 2014 #239

He needs a distraction from his expensive Crimean Prize! MADem Jul 2014 #281

That is not accurate. They redact those that are morningfog Jul 2014 #178

Specific documents requested ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #195

The NSA claims that right, it doesn't mean they have it. morningfog Jul 2014 #216

Blanket requests are not routine. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #227

To the contrary, NSA is required to sift through morningfog Jul 2014 #235

No, they are not required to do so. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #240

They said no to ANY emails. That is the issue. morningfog Jul 2014 #263

No. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #266

The request was for "any and all" emails. morningfog Jul 2014 #269

I stand corrected. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #274

We know he didn't raise anything specific because he's not in jail. joshcryer Jul 2014 #129

Well, he kept insisting to Brian Williams that he was some kind of spy. MADem Jul 2014 #173

I think he has them and WILL release them Aerows Jul 2014 #144

He should just do it if he has them--this "Nanny, nanny boo boo" game is childish. MADem Jul 2014 #172

He is "messaging" just fine. How long now had he kept morningfog Jul 2014 #218

Yeah, he's "messaging" so well that his supporters are getting all strident and angry. MADem Jul 2014 #222

We're still having the conversation, MADem Aerows Jul 2014 #306

What you are terming a "lie" is not that at all. MADem Jul 2014 #329

I spoke the truth Aerows Jul 2014 #341

That's not even slightly accurate. MADem Jul 2014 #346

I'm not even going to grace your snipes Aerows Jul 2014 #347

I'm just calling it as I see it, I am not "sniping." YMMV, we might as well just leave it there. nt MADem Jul 2014 #364

he's playing them and I love it. grasswire Jul 2014 #183

He's absolutely playing them Aerows Jul 2014 #305

ayep grasswire Jul 2014 #310

They'll just say he faked them. Union Scribe Jul 2014 #299

I sure if Eddie comes home, he'll be reminded of what he wrote... Historic NY Jul 2014 #74

Where Be The NSA Defenders - Very Telling cantbeserious Jul 2014 #87

They went home early, I presume Aerows Jul 2014 #151

Most Likely - All Too True cantbeserious Jul 2014 #152

and all to no avail... grasswire Jul 2014 #271

Snowden is heroic. Octafish Jul 2014 #104

"would reveal law enforcement techniques and procedures.� hughee99 Jul 2014 #125

Fascinating discussion at /. Babel_17 Jul 2014 #154

You won't openly get it Aerows Jul 2014 #158

We're going to be hearing more about government data that's backed up, in the coming days, imo (nt) Babel_17 Jul 2014 #214

Oh yes, we will :) Aerows Jul 2014 #231

certainly a lot more reality based reddread Jul 2014 #159

Storage and facial recognition are always problems Aerows Jul 2014 #176

Data compression does keep improving Babel_17 Jul 2014 #215

thank you grasswire Jul 2014 #184

/. is an online community of technocrats, geeks, etc. Babel_17 Jul 2014 #213

The ultimate goal of the NSA is total population control whereisjustice Jul 2014 #160

Mr. Binney only left two things out of his analysis ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #200

a two year old.. sendero Jul 2014 #277

NSA groupies are like that... BillZBubb Jul 2014 #362

yep grasswire Jul 2014 #371

Glenn Greenwald is the most dangerous human alive MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #179

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #205

Lies upon lies. woo me with science Jul 2014 #228

Recommended. I like the way this is playing out. Autumn Jul 2014 #238

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #251

So they lied, AGAIN? And Snowden was telling the truth, AGAIN. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #273

Exactly what are they lying about? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #275

For starters... Octafish Jul 2014 #279

You will note that I specifically asked ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #282

That's why I posted what I posted: The Big Picture is NSA LIES to its supposed bosses... Octafish Jul 2014 #283

What an utterly ridiculous response. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #284

What's ridiculous is trusting NSA and the rest of the secret goverment. Octafish Jul 2014 #287

I feel like I'm dealing with a Jehovah's Witness ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #349

While I save my condescension for conservatives, I do hold in contempt all who support the Lie. Octafish Jul 2014 #350

Jesus Hussein Christ. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #354

That's not what I wrote, which also is telling about you. Octafish Jul 2014 #356

You seem to have mistaken me ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #357

The one-up, one-down attitude helps explain the need for condescension. Octafish Jul 2014 #359

orchestrated disruption, Octafish grasswire Jul 2014 #285

Another weighs-in ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #286

Umm...I think you have that exactly backwarrds... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #296

Snowden must produce his emails or until then he's just a big liar. Octafish Jul 2014 #288

"The Big Con"... CanSocDem Jul 2014 #313

omg i had missed this questionseverything Jul 2014 #304

That water getting heavy yet? nt Union Scribe Jul 2014 #301

When someone is caught lying, as the NSA were, for over a year when they denied he had sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #302

Oh, for fuck's sake. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #348

Wrong, when the NSA finally 'found' that one email sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #352

You should check your own sources ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #353

What is ludicrous is that the NSA has consistently lied to the American people all the way back to sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #358

Please provide the links ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #360

The NSA stated a year or more ago, that there was 'no paper trail' between them and Snowden sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #361

Snowden initially said ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #363

Raising concerns with superiors (which is what Chelsea Manning did also) and going sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #366

Where to begin? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #368

Yes, where to begin indeed. The NSA LIED about ANY emails from Snowden for a FULL YEAR. THEN sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #375

I'm not defending anyone here. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #376

Mother Jones: sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #377

There is nothing in those links ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #378

Look, you can try to defend them all you want, but the fact is they DENIED any emails to various sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #382

Here we go - yet again. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #383

Not 'we', you are ignoring all the links provided for you where the NSA, according to sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #384

sabrina, you are totally out to lunch on this ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #385

Someone once told me that you should always pay attention to how many sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #386

Again you ignore the facts ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #387

Because legal defense is so easy when evidence is a national secret. L0oniX Jul 2014 #303

There is nothing legal Aerows Jul 2014 #327

At this point, believing anything the NSA says is naive, not to mention ludicrous. djean111 Jul 2014 #326

and why defend them here? grasswire Jul 2014 #335

Evidently criticizing anything while Obama is president is bad chi or something. djean111 Jul 2014 #337

But but but...boxes and stripper polls! It is sad how desperate the apologists for the NSA are Rex Jul 2014 #345

Poles. Stripper Poles. Really need to be aware of spelling, which can change meaning on DU. Octafish Jul 2014 #365

It can mean anything ya want it to mean - just whatever we do Rex Jul 2014 #367