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In reply to the discussion: NSA says Snowden e-mails exempt from public disclosure and secret [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)355. Wake up and smell the sulfur.
Here's something important I wrote about on DU that you won't read or hear mentioned in the corporate media:
Few today remember a most heinous terrorist act: The assassinations of former Chilean ambassador Orlando Letelier and American Ronnie Karpen Moffit.


Ms. Moffit was an American citizen murdered by agents of a foreign government on U.S. soil. Her only crime was being with Orlando Letelier, whose crime was to speak out against the military coup that toppled the democratically elected Chilean government he served. Because he refused to turn over the Chilean secret police and their American contacts, these assassinations were allowed, if not sanctioned, by George Bush, then director of central intelligence and head of the CIA.
As with all things having to do with the BFEE, the world get worse. So, a reminder:
October will mark the 30th anniversary of another most heinous terrorist act: The bombing of a Cuban civilian airliner that killed 73 passengers and crew. The pilots reported the blast caused their aircraft to catch fire and they were burning up as they attempted an emergency landing. The plane crashed into the Caribbean, a few miles west of Barbados. All aboard perished, including a close friend of the Great DUer malaise.

Cubana Airlines DC-8 like the one bombed by BFEE members Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch. Both turds have been protected by Poppy and Baby Doc Bush and the CIA, which strangely has been loyal to them rather than to various presidencies before and in-between.
Heres an excellent essay based on the facts:
The Charmed Life of a Mass Murderer
Posada Carriles and Bush's Anti-Terror Hoax
By SAUL LANDAU
Counterpunch June 9, 2005
President George W. Bush has emphasized that if one of the myriad of U.S. police agencies even suspect someone of planning, abetting or carrying out a terrorist act, he will, at a minimum, get tossed into a dark hole. Indeed, Bush has thrown the Magna Carta into the garbage heap when it comes to Muslims suspected of pernicious thoughts toward the United States.
But if suspected terrorists turn their rage toward the detested Fidel Castro, these rules don't apply.
Indeed, those who try to bomb Cuban targets, or those related to Cuba, receive special treatment. This double-standard casts a shadow over the president's commitment to fight terrorism.
For example, TV footage showed Homeland Security cops arresting Posada in mid May. But the arresting officers didn't even handcuff the Western Hemisphere's most notorious terrorist. (Remember how Bush's pal Ken "Kenny Boy" Lay ENRON's CEO got handcuffed?) Justice Department spokespeople said they plan to charge the foremost terrorist in the western hemisphere with "illegal entry into the United States."
The FBI has reams of files on Posada, affectionately called "Bambi" by his terrorist friends. Former FBI Special Agent Carter Cornick told New York Times reporter Tim Weiner that Posada was "up to his eyeballs" in the October 1976 destruction of a Cuban commercial airliner over Barbados. All 73 passengers and crew members died. Recently published FBI and CIA documents not only confirm Cornick's statement, but also reveal that U.S. agencies had knowledge of the plot and did not inform Cuban authorities or try to stop the bombing.
SNIP
One wonders: Did Posada announce his illegal presence in the United States with the idea that U.S. government complicity in aiding and abetting his past acts of terrorism would protect him? U.S. authorities didn't inform Cuba or try to stop the 1976 air-bombing plot, and in 1971, as Veciana stated, the CIA made the gun that Posada's agents placed inside the camera to assassinate Castro. And Ollie North has knowledge of Posada's covert activities for U.S. intelligence as well.
CONTINUED
http://www.counterpunch.org/landau06092005.html
[font color="red"]What ties these two events together is the involvement of George Herbert Walker Bush, as then-CIA director, in their cover-up as crimes and in the protection of their perpetrators, as in the person of one Luis Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch and their colleagues-in-terror.[/font color]
Think about it: A murder-forgiving CIA director Bush went on to become President of the United States. Today, Bushs son, George, acts as president. The younger Bush has used his office from Day One to protect and cover-up the crimes of his father.
Thats what Hugo Chavez was talking about when he smelled the sulfur and called Bush The Devil.
America needs to wake up and smell the sulfur, too. Heres some background on the above:
LUIS POSADA CARRILES
THE DECLASSIFIED RECORD
CIA and FBI Documents Detail Career in International Terrorism; Connection to U.S.
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 153
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153 /
Dont forget to check out Orlando Bosch, while youre at it. GOOGLE with Jeb Bush for some interesting connections to the present day.
Democracy Nows Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez interviewed National Security Archives Peter Kornbluh and Leteliers son, Francisco:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/21/153...
Another important point to remember, is Kissinger's close association with Operation CONDOR, the assassination program run out of "The Cone" to silence democrats, liberals, union leaders, progressives, socialists, communists or anyone who stood for justice and equality.
Chile security chief was CIA informer
BBC Tuesday, 19 September, 2000, 23:24 GMT 00:24 UK
Recently declassified documents in the United States show that the former head of the secret police in Chile, Manuel Contreras, was a paid informant for the US intelligence agency, the CIA.
The report, comprising CIA documents requested by the US Congress, show that contact with Contreras began in 1974 - a year after the military coup that brought General Augusto Pinochet to power.
Contreras oversaw the much-feared security service DINA
The report adds that the contact was maintained until 1977 - a year after Contreras plotted the killing of the then Chilean Foreign Minister and foe of General Pinochet, Orlando Letelier, in Washington.
A BBC correspondent in Washington, Nick Bryant, says the documents reinforce the view that the US turned a blind eye towards political repression in Chile during the Pinochet era and that the CIA was complicit in many human rights abuses.
Pinochet's confidant
As head of the security service, DINA, Contreras became the one of the most feared men in Chile, second only to General Pinochet.
The general's iron rule was underpinned by the tactics of brutal repression that saw thousands die and thousands more flee into exile. Others disappeared or were tortured.
CONTINUED
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/932897.stm
Of course, there are even more sulferous friends than these
Bush's Longstanding Criminal Mexican Amigos
The disturbing ties of some of George W. Bush's Latino advisors
More on Bush-Amigos links in PBS Frontline interview with Gary Jacobs
By Julie Reynolds
Research assistance by Victor Almazán and Ana Leonor Rojo
LOS AMIGOS DE BUSH
Dime con quién andas y te diré quién eres. (Tell me who you side with and I will tell you who you are.) George W. Bush for President web site
Those who say that George W. Bush has scant knowledge of foreign affairs don't understand his family's relationship with Mexico.
If one event could be said to make that relationship visible, it had to be the state dinner given eleven years ago by President Bush for Mexico's president, Carlos Salinas. It was an elegant yet boisterous gala, where the biggest movers and shakers in Texas and Mexico congregated and celebrated. This group was to become W's Mexican legacy, a gift of ties and connections passed on from the father to his son.
SNIP
The Mexican president had spent a long day with President Bush signing trade pacts, the precursors of NAFTA. Salinas brought his so-called Dream Team: his commerce secretary, finance minister, and his personal Machiavelli, Jose Córdoba. It would later be astounding to see, as the decade unfolded, how many of that administration's proud men and women fell shamefully from grace - some exiled, some imprisoned and some assassinated.
No one knew it then, but many at that banquet would survive to one day help young W beat a path back to the White House. There were loyal "Bushfellas" who were old friends of the family: Commerce Secretary Robert Mosbacher Sr., General Colin Powell, and George Bush Senior's ever-present friend, Secretary of State James Baker. Gary Jacobs, whose Texas bank was about to be bought by the son of Mexico's billionaire-politico Carlos Hank González, was also a guest. Tony Garza, then a young judge, is now a Bush cabinet contender. Today, all are advisors or contributors to W's campaign.
Hidden among the glitterati were two relative unknowns. They were, however, familiar to the group at hand. They were the loyal "Amigos de Bush" from San Antonio: criminal defense lawyer Roy Barrera Jr. and car dealer Ernesto Ancira Jr. In contrast to the Salinas group, the ties of Barrera and Ancira to drug cartels would remain unnoticed for another decade. Their ties to George W. would grow stronger.
CONTINUED
http://www.elandar.com/bush/amigos.html

Henry Kissinger and Agusto Pinochet
I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves. -- Henry A. Kissinger
Remember: If the guy W wanted to appoint head of the 9-11 Commission feels that way about democracy in Chile, whats there to make us think he and those for whom he toils believe differently about democracy in the United States of America?
PS: Does the fact you have to read the words on the title disqualify hypocrisy?
Few today remember a most heinous terrorist act: The assassinations of former Chilean ambassador Orlando Letelier and American Ronnie Karpen Moffit.


Ms. Moffit was an American citizen murdered by agents of a foreign government on U.S. soil. Her only crime was being with Orlando Letelier, whose crime was to speak out against the military coup that toppled the democratically elected Chilean government he served. Because he refused to turn over the Chilean secret police and their American contacts, these assassinations were allowed, if not sanctioned, by George Bush, then director of central intelligence and head of the CIA.
As with all things having to do with the BFEE, the world get worse. So, a reminder:
October will mark the 30th anniversary of another most heinous terrorist act: The bombing of a Cuban civilian airliner that killed 73 passengers and crew. The pilots reported the blast caused their aircraft to catch fire and they were burning up as they attempted an emergency landing. The plane crashed into the Caribbean, a few miles west of Barbados. All aboard perished, including a close friend of the Great DUer malaise.

Cubana Airlines DC-8 like the one bombed by BFEE members Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch. Both turds have been protected by Poppy and Baby Doc Bush and the CIA, which strangely has been loyal to them rather than to various presidencies before and in-between.
Heres an excellent essay based on the facts:
The Charmed Life of a Mass Murderer
Posada Carriles and Bush's Anti-Terror Hoax
By SAUL LANDAU
Counterpunch June 9, 2005
President George W. Bush has emphasized that if one of the myriad of U.S. police agencies even suspect someone of planning, abetting or carrying out a terrorist act, he will, at a minimum, get tossed into a dark hole. Indeed, Bush has thrown the Magna Carta into the garbage heap when it comes to Muslims suspected of pernicious thoughts toward the United States.
But if suspected terrorists turn their rage toward the detested Fidel Castro, these rules don't apply.
Indeed, those who try to bomb Cuban targets, or those related to Cuba, receive special treatment. This double-standard casts a shadow over the president's commitment to fight terrorism.
For example, TV footage showed Homeland Security cops arresting Posada in mid May. But the arresting officers didn't even handcuff the Western Hemisphere's most notorious terrorist. (Remember how Bush's pal Ken "Kenny Boy" Lay ENRON's CEO got handcuffed?) Justice Department spokespeople said they plan to charge the foremost terrorist in the western hemisphere with "illegal entry into the United States."
The FBI has reams of files on Posada, affectionately called "Bambi" by his terrorist friends. Former FBI Special Agent Carter Cornick told New York Times reporter Tim Weiner that Posada was "up to his eyeballs" in the October 1976 destruction of a Cuban commercial airliner over Barbados. All 73 passengers and crew members died. Recently published FBI and CIA documents not only confirm Cornick's statement, but also reveal that U.S. agencies had knowledge of the plot and did not inform Cuban authorities or try to stop the bombing.
SNIP
One wonders: Did Posada announce his illegal presence in the United States with the idea that U.S. government complicity in aiding and abetting his past acts of terrorism would protect him? U.S. authorities didn't inform Cuba or try to stop the 1976 air-bombing plot, and in 1971, as Veciana stated, the CIA made the gun that Posada's agents placed inside the camera to assassinate Castro. And Ollie North has knowledge of Posada's covert activities for U.S. intelligence as well.
CONTINUED
http://www.counterpunch.org/landau06092005.html
[font color="red"]What ties these two events together is the involvement of George Herbert Walker Bush, as then-CIA director, in their cover-up as crimes and in the protection of their perpetrators, as in the person of one Luis Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch and their colleagues-in-terror.[/font color]
Think about it: A murder-forgiving CIA director Bush went on to become President of the United States. Today, Bushs son, George, acts as president. The younger Bush has used his office from Day One to protect and cover-up the crimes of his father.
Thats what Hugo Chavez was talking about when he smelled the sulfur and called Bush The Devil.
America needs to wake up and smell the sulfur, too. Heres some background on the above:
LUIS POSADA CARRILES
THE DECLASSIFIED RECORD
CIA and FBI Documents Detail Career in International Terrorism; Connection to U.S.
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 153
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153 /
Dont forget to check out Orlando Bosch, while youre at it. GOOGLE with Jeb Bush for some interesting connections to the present day.
Democracy Nows Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez interviewed National Security Archives Peter Kornbluh and Leteliers son, Francisco:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/21/153...
Another important point to remember, is Kissinger's close association with Operation CONDOR, the assassination program run out of "The Cone" to silence democrats, liberals, union leaders, progressives, socialists, communists or anyone who stood for justice and equality.
Chile security chief was CIA informer
BBC Tuesday, 19 September, 2000, 23:24 GMT 00:24 UK
Recently declassified documents in the United States show that the former head of the secret police in Chile, Manuel Contreras, was a paid informant for the US intelligence agency, the CIA.
The report, comprising CIA documents requested by the US Congress, show that contact with Contreras began in 1974 - a year after the military coup that brought General Augusto Pinochet to power.
Contreras oversaw the much-feared security service DINA
The report adds that the contact was maintained until 1977 - a year after Contreras plotted the killing of the then Chilean Foreign Minister and foe of General Pinochet, Orlando Letelier, in Washington.
A BBC correspondent in Washington, Nick Bryant, says the documents reinforce the view that the US turned a blind eye towards political repression in Chile during the Pinochet era and that the CIA was complicit in many human rights abuses.
Pinochet's confidant
As head of the security service, DINA, Contreras became the one of the most feared men in Chile, second only to General Pinochet.
The general's iron rule was underpinned by the tactics of brutal repression that saw thousands die and thousands more flee into exile. Others disappeared or were tortured.
CONTINUED
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/932897.stm
Of course, there are even more sulferous friends than these
Bush's Longstanding Criminal Mexican Amigos
The disturbing ties of some of George W. Bush's Latino advisors
More on Bush-Amigos links in PBS Frontline interview with Gary Jacobs
By Julie Reynolds
Research assistance by Victor Almazán and Ana Leonor Rojo
LOS AMIGOS DE BUSH
Dime con quién andas y te diré quién eres. (Tell me who you side with and I will tell you who you are.) George W. Bush for President web site
Those who say that George W. Bush has scant knowledge of foreign affairs don't understand his family's relationship with Mexico.
If one event could be said to make that relationship visible, it had to be the state dinner given eleven years ago by President Bush for Mexico's president, Carlos Salinas. It was an elegant yet boisterous gala, where the biggest movers and shakers in Texas and Mexico congregated and celebrated. This group was to become W's Mexican legacy, a gift of ties and connections passed on from the father to his son.
SNIP
The Mexican president had spent a long day with President Bush signing trade pacts, the precursors of NAFTA. Salinas brought his so-called Dream Team: his commerce secretary, finance minister, and his personal Machiavelli, Jose Córdoba. It would later be astounding to see, as the decade unfolded, how many of that administration's proud men and women fell shamefully from grace - some exiled, some imprisoned and some assassinated.
No one knew it then, but many at that banquet would survive to one day help young W beat a path back to the White House. There were loyal "Bushfellas" who were old friends of the family: Commerce Secretary Robert Mosbacher Sr., General Colin Powell, and George Bush Senior's ever-present friend, Secretary of State James Baker. Gary Jacobs, whose Texas bank was about to be bought by the son of Mexico's billionaire-politico Carlos Hank González, was also a guest. Tony Garza, then a young judge, is now a Bush cabinet contender. Today, all are advisors or contributors to W's campaign.
Hidden among the glitterati were two relative unknowns. They were, however, familiar to the group at hand. They were the loyal "Amigos de Bush" from San Antonio: criminal defense lawyer Roy Barrera Jr. and car dealer Ernesto Ancira Jr. In contrast to the Salinas group, the ties of Barrera and Ancira to drug cartels would remain unnoticed for another decade. Their ties to George W. would grow stronger.
CONTINUED
http://www.elandar.com/bush/amigos.html

Henry Kissinger and Agusto Pinochet
I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves. -- Henry A. Kissinger
Remember: If the guy W wanted to appoint head of the 9-11 Commission feels that way about democracy in Chile, whats there to make us think he and those for whom he toils believe differently about democracy in the United States of America?
PS: Does the fact you have to read the words on the title disqualify hypocrisy?
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NSA says Snowden e-mails exempt from public disclosure and secret [View all]
Ichingcarpenter
Jul 2014
OP
Yeah, they kinda did...they said "we have them, but we're not showing them to you"...
truebrit71
Jul 2014
#289
Why anyone would trust the NSA is beyond me. Especially after Clapper's perjury.
morningfog
Jul 2014
#76
Lol, well considering the NSA denied that for a year, then 'suddenly' found ONE, I think we all
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#307
Yes, as I said, they 'suddenly found ONE' after denying ANY for a full year.
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#311
Well, let me see. Who should I trust more, Bush loyalists and appointees at the NSA or
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#314
Why is Bush loyalist and appointee, liar to Congress, Clapper, still head of the NSA?
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#316
I am stating facts. I did ask you several times why Clapper is still head of the NSA.
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#321
It's a logical fallacy to state that Bush Appointee, Clapper, who lied to Congress is still
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#323
I have stated, you resorted to a logical fallacy. The discussion is over. eom
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#324
No, this discussion will continue, with or without you because it is vitally important
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#325
I did ask a relevant question several times but received no response to it. Just mild personal
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#351
No worries, Snowden KEPT all his emails covering his ass legally on disclosing law breaking
uponit7771
Jul 2014
#10
And everybody seems to be missing the most important part of this denied request
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#36
but it's all nice and legal, and that's all that really matters in the eyes of the authoritarian..
frylock
Jul 2014
#51
And the FISA court judges are appointed by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts.
neverforget
Jul 2014
#147
The Snowden detractors actually posted the article. Then went with it big time
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#134
Cali Democrat who posted the article itself is an ardent anti-Snowden poster!
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#136
I gave you examples of threads where anti- Snowden posters brought those topics into the discussion
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#217
Google "Snowden girlfriend Democraticunderground June 2013". There are MANY threads
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#120
I never understood why his defenders crafted the strawman that there was something wrong with what
MADem
Jul 2014
#175
Yup. They own it now. Even more so as they persist with lame Snowden/ Greenwald smears.
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#220
Correct, your half of discussion was about pretending there isn't a smear campaign
bobduca
Jul 2014
#380
I attacked Snowden for boxes? Or was it his neighbors? Or was it another DUer?
Cali_Democrat
Jul 2014
#260
So where are the DUers disparaging Snowden for having boxes in his garage?
Cali_Democrat
Jul 2014
#249
It's been two months since he claimed there were other emails. You'd think he would
MADem
Jul 2014
#230
The NSA, after denying for a year that there were emails, suddenly found 'one'. Now they
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#300
You are wrong. I wrote: 'Booz Allen Hamilton is owned by Carlyle Group, a subsidiary of the BFEE.'
Octafish
Jul 2014
#54
No 'CT' smear at all. The Bush Family Evil Empire represents the Fascist Heart of Power
Octafish
Jul 2014
#75
Jesus then put him on ignore instead of spamming the DISCUSSION board with this shit
riderinthestorm
Jul 2014
#122
I posted and showed where you're wrong without you once refuting what I wrote.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#145
This seems so familiar. What was your old DU screen name? I know I know you.
morningfog
Jul 2014
#80
No more than Ford and dozens of other corporate owners who invested in Germany. eom
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#294
Tragic. I bet you fully supported Octafish right up until that very instant.
RufusTFirefly
Jul 2014
#114
It was a fill in the blank email that specifically referenced training Snowden received.
MADem
Jul 2014
#177
"Bullshit" isn't a rebuttal. It's an expression of your personal vexation, nothing more.
MADem
Jul 2014
#204
most importantly, it would expose the NSA lying their asses off about Snowden's emails..
frylock
Jul 2014
#22
So you think the NSA claimed Snowden didn't write ANY emails at all at any time?????
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#42
we have not found any evidence to support Mr. Snowden’s contention that he brought these matters..
frylock
Jul 2014
#53
It's like a rerun of the "Whitey tape" BS I saw all over the internet in 2008.
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#156
Snowden should just release the emails he claims exists and it will all be cleared up.
MohRokTah
Jul 2014
#38
If they're not doing anything WRONG, then they've got nothing to HIDE !!!
blkmusclmachine
Jul 2014
#62
Putin and Snowden have a mutual admiration society.. Pooite loves what Snowden does..
Cha
Jul 2014
#239
He should just do it if he has them--this "Nanny, nanny boo boo" game is childish.
MADem
Jul 2014
#172
Yeah, he's "messaging" so well that his supporters are getting all strident and angry.
MADem
Jul 2014
#222
I'm just calling it as I see it, I am not "sniping." YMMV, we might as well just leave it there. nt
MADem
Jul 2014
#364
We're going to be hearing more about government data that's backed up, in the coming days, imo (nt)
Babel_17
Jul 2014
#214
That's why I posted what I posted: The Big Picture is NSA LIES to its supposed bosses...
Octafish
Jul 2014
#283
While I save my condescension for conservatives, I do hold in contempt all who support the Lie.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#350
When someone is caught lying, as the NSA were, for over a year when they denied he had
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#302
What is ludicrous is that the NSA has consistently lied to the American people all the way back to
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#358
The NSA stated a year or more ago, that there was 'no paper trail' between them and Snowden
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#361
Raising concerns with superiors (which is what Chelsea Manning did also) and going
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#366
Yes, where to begin indeed. The NSA LIED about ANY emails from Snowden for a FULL YEAR. THEN
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#375
Look, you can try to defend them all you want, but the fact is they DENIED any emails to various
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#382
Not 'we', you are ignoring all the links provided for you where the NSA, according to
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#384
At this point, believing anything the NSA says is naive, not to mention ludicrous.
djean111
Jul 2014
#326
Evidently criticizing anything while Obama is president is bad chi or something.
djean111
Jul 2014
#337
But but but...boxes and stripper polls! It is sad how desperate the apologists for the NSA are
Rex
Jul 2014
#345
Poles. Stripper Poles. Really need to be aware of spelling, which can change meaning on DU.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#365