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12. That's amazing, I had not seen that. I just mentioned that phrase above because it's clear that

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:30 PM

Jul 2014

the secret warrants on thousands of people cannot possibly have shown probable cause on each one. Or are they claiming that tens of thousands of Americans are collectively guilty of something? I can't believe they have managed to get away with this in a so-called Democracy for so long.

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It made no difference whether their letters, papers and effects came from France, England or [View all] Uncle Joe Jul 2014 OP

interesting nt grasswire Jul 2014 #1

it is clearly illegal questionseverything Jul 2014 #2

That's an excellent analysis, and well worth reading, questioneverything, but the Roberts led S.C. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #6

i agree uncle joe questionseverything Jul 2014 #7

Thanks Uncle Joe. I don't understand the claim that the ACLU 'doesn't have standing'. They are sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #11

I agree, sabrina, it's Alice in Wonderland logic. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #13

True the Roberts Court is protecting the violators but they're not the only ones, sadly. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #14

I have no doubt, it's emotionally difficult to say the least, to oppose someone that you Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #17

I understand that, as it was difficult for me to acknowledge a lot of what I could not ignore, as sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #18

I hope it doesn't come to that gnashing of teeth point. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #19

Hell, some of the traitors actually consider the threat as something of a feature TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #49

Thanks for this link. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #50

Thank you! rosesaylavee Jul 2014 #3

rosesaylavee, I haven't seen you in a while. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #21

I am doing well rosesaylavee Jul 2014 #37

Well, I'm glad you did. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #38

Will post again when it is saved. rosesaylavee Jul 2014 #39

I hope so, that would be a great post! Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #41

And yet Gen. Hayden insisted that the amendment doesn't include the phrase "probable cause" RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #4

Perhaps Hayden was thinking of China or Russia's Constitution? Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #8

And to think he took an oath to 'defend and protect the US Constitution from all enemies, both sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #15

What's scary is the overt display now Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #27

Thanks, Ichingcarpenter, I agree Feinstein is most troublesome in all this. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #30

But it's okay if 'our guy' does it because 'our guy' wouldn't ever use it for evil, only good... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #40

That's amazing, I had not seen that. I just mentioned that phrase above because it's clear that sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #12

It is not "tens of thousands of Americans" it is EVERYONE hundreds of millions of Americans and Vincardog Jul 2014 #42

Yes, I know and I share your anger at all of it. I was talking specifically about their sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #43

We have been living in a lawless state for decades, it is only now the "average man" is starting to Vincardog Jul 2014 #44

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #5

Thank you, WillyT. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #9

Too Sad That More Americans Are Unfamiliar With The Fourth Amendment - Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2014 #10

Thanks for the thanks, cantbeserious. n/t Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #20

Glad to recommend this! suffragette Jul 2014 #16

Thanks, suffragette, it's good to see you here. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #24

Thurgood Marshall saw much of this coming when he dissented in the Maryland case. suffragette Jul 2014 #35

That was a great dissent by Marshall and Brennan. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #36

Yes, and this bears repeating: suffragette Jul 2014 #47

That was a great quote, Marshall saw the writing on the wall. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #48

Sorry Joe.... DeSwiss Jul 2014 #22

Thanks for the kick and rec, DeSwiss and while I agree with some of what Peter Joseph states there, Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #23

What would be the alternative? DeSwiss Jul 2014 #25

How do you regulate and/or enforce law without a social contract? Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #28

I didn't say it would be easy Joe. DeSwiss Jul 2014 #31

But it's not the same document, it has been altered and it will continue to be. I believe we Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #32

Nite.... DeSwiss Jul 2014 #33

I've seen the excuse put forward on DU that its just too hard to separate out the illegal stuff riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #26

Thank you, riderinthestorm, for a nation that sent humans to the moon, robots to Mars Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #29

du rec. xchrom Jul 2014 #34

K&R Important post. Thank you. woo me with science Jul 2014 #45

It seems pretty cut and dry to me. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #46